Thaitao and crew vs. Bill-P

Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Thaitao, Aug 22, 2017.

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  1. Thaitao

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    And then that content will be doubted because he won't praise or using some schiit stuff as source? I first like this forum because i think it give me un-biased review unlike all hype thread like head-fi but now i can see this forum as a closed community schiit fanboy, praised schiit and bitch everything else just like head-case, bitching cavalli, schiit stuff but praise kg amp. People here are opened mind but with their friends only, who have the same mind as them. I remember when the Jotunheim first came out, a review thread is created here by bill-p, and he said it's as good as the ragnarok and can be the end game amp for only 400$, i remember how people here praised it like one of the best amp. I was fool to really believe at that time but how about now? The jotunheim finally come to it real value, after the super hyped train, people start to talk about it weakness and stop compare it to totl amp. I heard my friend jot and he is agree with me that it's very good for the money but no where near the hype for it in this forum, may be because the source it's not schiit dac.
    And about name of Op, minhbeo, what's the matter with that name? Do you think he pick that name to say he want to rape your children? Did you ever see anyone pick an accout name as pedobear or hitler because they like children or want to conquer the world?? This is totally for fun name and you're serious about that? This is surely picking and not have anything to do with the review.
    About bill-p, i'm vietnamese as him and in vietnam, we talk about audio in a forum. I had conversation with Bill few years ago in that forum, he like to talk about technical and think he's really good at it but no, he's totally a dumb and has no knowledge at all. Here is one in many dumb post of him, let me translate it for you: https://vozforums.com/showpost.php?p=70347376&postcount=36

    According to him, as you add more and more amp, the distortion will be lower and lower =)). This is only one in many posts of him, you can see how erudite he was, and till know, he always go around this forum and contribute with his knowledge, i hope he get better by now or else this forum will be dumb by his stupid.
    Ok, my post end here, sorry for my shitty English, and sorry for bitching about this forum and your friend. i Know i'm going to receive many dislike and well as a ban, im ready for it :)).
     
  2. Mithrandir41

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    It is still low noise month. Please observe. Randos bitching about the site is useless.
     
  3. Deep Funk

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    Are you trolling because you can? If you do not agree with someone you can simply say "I disagree. Here is why..."

    Also this place is not just about Schiit Audio. Currently Schiit happens to make bang-for-the buck audio gear. Think of it like the Koss PortaPro, what is there to dislike? For the money (from your wallet) very little.

    "Sorry for my shitty English, and sorry for bitching about this forum..." Too late.
     
  4. insidious meme

    insidious meme Ambivalent Kumquat

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    Pro tip: if you're trying to plead a case on a forum, make sure people can read it without getting a headache part way through.

    @Deep Funk I think he's a bit salty because he only listened to Bill p sell the Jot hard, and it wasn't the endgame amp he read it was when he heard it.
     
  5. Deep Funk

    Deep Funk Deep thoughts - Friend

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    Not our problem. Fix your own head. Or in short: "get yourself high."



    I am done with people who cannot accept the risk of their own choices. Audition first or gamble and go 50/50. That is inherent to the audio-hobby. To troll S.B.A.F. because you have yet to grow up. Not on my watch.
     
  6. Melvillian

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    @Thaitao what you just did is in poor taste. It says more about your character than the person you're trying to discredit.
     
  7. Bill-P

    Bill-P Level 42 Mad Wizard

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    Disregarding the Schiit hate...

    Hey, dude, if you have something against me, feel free to bring it up in a different thread or PM me. It's irrelevant here. And beside that, I'm not above admitting I was a noob (or I AM still a noob) at technical stuffs. Again, really, nobody here is a God or superior.

    But that aside, a couple of notes I have against your case:

    1. I don't like Ragnarok. Period. Heard it multiple times. Heard it again last time with decent headphones. Still don't like it. Some other folks may like it but I just don't. Jot still sounds better to me. Read my review again and you'll get that much. $400 Jot > Rag is still relevant to me. Technical or not. Not all Schiit's gears are magical. Are we all Schiit shills here? I don't see myself praising any other Schiit gear than the Jot (and maybe Gungnir Multibit). Do you?

    2. Vietnam's electrical grid has no ground. How that affects an amplifier like Jot is totally "up to anyone's guesses" but I was one of the first folks to point out Jot does not like being fed with DAC signal that's not grounded (balanced XLR without ground), so there's that. Reference LHLabs Geek Out V2 thread. Is Schiit gears Godly in all situations? I don't think so. In fact, if an amp depends so heavily on being grounded is fed with no ground, its performance won't be optimal.

    3. Okay, I'm probably reading too much into the OP's name. My bad. Will apologize if he feels offended but honestly, please do notice nobody names themselves "Hitler" or "Pedobear" around here.

    If you can't understand what I just wrote because of the nuances of it, I'm willing to translate all of it to Vietnamese for you at your own discretion.
     
  8. Dino

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    Here's another thread for "How to Win Friends and Influence People".
     
  9. bengo

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    Summoning @zerodeefex to put us all out of our misery... since dislikes are disabled, perhaps we could have a poll instead to choose the best custom title for our new visitors?
     
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    Most folks here are well aware of their tendency to recommend Schiit gear in many cases, maybe it even makes them uncomfortable. The fact that this thread exists (i.e. self-doubt and self-examination) is what makes this site fundamentally different to head-fi and others.

    @zeissiez @Thaitao We are all looking forward to your recommendations of other good performing, good value gear and comparisons with any equivalent priced (Schiit or other) gear you might own.
     
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    i've seen that you're probably speak Vietnamese and also a member of vozforums.com forums which i've been one since 2007 under nickname Minbeo. And fyi "Minh beo"(fat Minh, chubby Minh ect) is an extremely common nickname for people named Minh in Vietnam (which i am) and have no relation whatsoever with that pedophile. I hope that you'd fix your posts to avoiding any further misconception, thanks you.
    About my expressions on the amp, it's highly objective, all i wanted to say that its cheap and sound good to my ears, both amps are still working without any problems too.
     
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    Bill-P Level 42 Mad Wizard

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    Yeah, I can speak and write in Vietnamese fairly well, as can I with English. I don't frequent Voz, though.

    Please take this as a formal apology on my part. I won't "fix" the posts per se for the sake of clarity for those who are following the conversation. The point here is full disclosure and honesty. If I goofed off, it's on me.

    But I would also suggest that you introduce yourself here. If you had done that first and explained your username, it would have saved us quite a bit of trouble.

    About the amps, I think you meant to say "subjective" (something sounding good to your ears), "objective" should be used only when something measures well, or if something is a universal fact. Terminologies can be confusing so I think it's best if you can learn to get things right. I didn't have a particular problem with you saying APPJ > Schiit though. If I did, I would have written as much. I was just essentially asking "have you tried to compare the amp on something other than the Aune S16?"

    It is a stage name. But as far as I know, he's the only celebrity who goes by that name.

    And now it's essentially associated with pedophilia just like how Hitler is associated with Nazi. I mean, you pretty much just have to type "minh beo" into Google to see what comes up.
     
  14. Torq

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    When that happens, you'll note that the doubt comes from the high correlation between these breathlessly-excited posts being:
    1. Raw hype, based purely on parts-lists, expectations and outside possibilities, rather than any actual listening*.
    2. Aren't substantial enough to be useful (a bullet-list is not a "review").
    3. Have a bad habit of being someone's first post ... which never looks good**.
    4. Non-established brands are, well, non-established and extra-ordinary claims require supporting evidence.
    Bottom line, like it or not, those that have established some credibility (either posters or brands) get much less push back on introducing new, unknown, gear than those that do so in the first few posts. That's called healthy skepticism. If you can't get your head around that then it's no wonder you're buying things based purely on the word of others and winding up disappointed as a result.

    Quality content is king ... context is important, so is provenance/history ... anything less will always get questioned.

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    *Or, often, when listening has occurred, it's the same kind of insubstantial nonsense, not referenced to anything else that anyone has heard, and usually recounted from not personal experience but merely quoting others opinions (who even then it's not clear have actually heard the units in question).
    **Almost always turns out to be a fanboi with no actual experience with the stuff their on about, or an outright shill.
     
  15. ultrabike

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    Alright. Moving this here.

    This is no longer a discussion about ChiFi vs. Schiit. It's more about @Bill-P.

    I think @Bill-P felt @Minbeo was trolling and things went downhill from there.

    As far as shilling Schiit in this site. I think Schiit brings a lot to the table. But I personally don't own a single Schiit product (yet), and I drive my POS Mackies with a Monoprice DAC/Amp. Couldn't be happier. My main rig for measuring, listening and playing is my Focusrite 2i2. I'm a cheap bastid.

    I do appreciate the inputs brought by @Minbeo regarding the product he reviewed and expect more data points from him and crew (especially since I'm a cheap bastid), hopefully w/o the shit slinging at @Bill-P or anybody here.
     
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    Yeah, thanks, ultra.

    @Thaitao, if you've got something against me or something I said, please feel free to address it here. I still stand by my statements about the Jotunheim though.

    @Minbeo, I apologize once again for having confused your username for something else. This is why it's desirable for first-time posters to introduce themselves before they post anything else.
     
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  18. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    You are dumb for the following reasons:
    1. You believed @Bill-P, despite feeling "he's totally a dumb and has no knowledge at all."
    2. The Ragnarok is very good, but not Summit-Fi. In some ways, Jot is better than Rag (TOTL Schiit) and vice versa (another discussion).
    3. SBAF is not immune to hype trains. It does self-correct over time. Your fault for being impatient and buying right away.
    4. You didn't consider others' opinions. They were out there. Psalm provided good feedback. Another compared to A-GD. Even I was guarded and drew up entire diagrams comparing Schiit amps against each other.
    5. Context of SBAF impressions always includes price.
    Don't blame others for your own stupidity.

    Now back to self-imposed exile.
     
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    Hi Marvey ..... Bye Marvey.
     
  20. ultrabike

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    Welp. No further responses from @Minbeo's crew. So closing thread.

    Guys. It's audio. Have fun.

    BTW, I know @Bill-P personally. I cringe sometimes when some random dude writes about another random dude saying "he is a good guy" or "he is one of the good guys" or "he can walk on water" or whatever. But honestly guys. I know @Bill-P, and seen how he interacts. He, like all of us, doesn't know everything. But so far my impression is that he is a really nice guy, and I hold him in high esteem. And he does know some shit about audio. Particularly modifications and tonal balance. He is also not deaf.
     
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