The Last Jedi Thread (with Spoilers)

After five seconds of googling I found info about a black policeman who served in England in the mid 1800s. There are probably other examples you could find with a little research.

Historical accuracy aside, there are so many examples of casting against the expected racial/gender lines that turn out great. John Boyega is one recent example. Denzel Washington in Shakespeare, Charlize Theron in Mad Max, the entire cast of Hamilton.

If the performance didn’t work for you, then fine. Trotting out the political correctness stuff makes you sound like cranky old men.

 

Get off my lawn!

 

@ultrabike: Since you and I seem to share a similar low opinion of TLJ, let me throw this out there: I rather liked Solo. It’s not a masterpiece, but it’s a fun heist-gone-wrong romp set in the SW universe. It’s consistent with the lore (and even finally fixes the misuse of the word ‘parsec’ from A New Hope in reference to the Kessel run). Sure, it’s a money grab, but as far as such things go, I found it inoffensive. As a fellow Game of Thrones fan, I also enjoyed seeing Emilia Clarke do something other than her one-note portrayal of Daenerys Targaryen.

 

Agreed.

 

Ok, but you obviously consider ESB to be better than TLJ and bemoans that there are no modern auteurs that could make it as good as the older film. The irony is that the original trilogy was heavily responsible for the lack of auteurs working in the mainstream today (there are plenty of American auteurs today, but very few making films with budgets above $2-5M). And if I were to create a list of American auteurs from that period, I would not think of Kershner at all.

 

Things and people may always change in real life but I'm not spending money on Star Wars to sit and watch Rian Johnson make that observation. If I'm going to buy Star Wars tickets it's to see laser sword fights.

 

The problem is they are trying to please too many people instead of just trying to make a good star wars movie.

 

Force awakens was a copy paste, I was outraged, but whatever, it's quite ok actually. Last jedi is a piece of shit. Prequels would be the best thing in existance if they actually went the darth jar jar / palpatine manipulating anakin and padme into marriage, then remotely killing Padme. That would really explain everything (and make the weird cringy love - something missing - acting and "lost the will to live nonsense" actually plausible!) and be a mind blower.
Last jedi was literally one of the nails in the coffin of my childhood. I was always the "star wars" guy/weird kid/whatever. I partly lived in that universe. It really saddens me a lot.
But what I'm mostly impressed by is how those idiots (mis)treated the fans complaining online over the SJW nonsense / garbage plot. Outrageous. That's even more despicable than the film itself.

And wrong people too. They openly said they don't care about what white men think multiple times. That's, actually racist. Something they try to label the fans with. Nobody cared about the fact that Finn is black, Rey is a woman, Poe is a latino in the force awakens. It was just Finn, Poe and (Ma-) Rey. Fans started to care when Lucasfilm openly started parading that shit like it's the thing that matters most, while creating terrible plots, plot holes, unnecessary subversions, shitting on beloved characters from originals, breaking Mark Hammil's heart and so on. And if you don't like last jedi, YOU RACIST!

 

I like Marv's version of Luke:



@purr1n: out of curiosity, do you not think that Oscar Isaacs, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver are top tier actors? I could watch any of them all day, given good material.

I disagree. I could see making an argument that TFA was trying to please too many people. It was basically a remixed version of the original trilogy's greatest hits. An enjoyable remix, but a very conservative, safe take on a new SW movie that didn't try to rock the boat or do anything all that new.

TLJ on the other hand, is the weirdest SW movie so far. It seemed to be actively working against what long-time fans wanted/expected most of the time. The weirdness turned a lot of people off. Not exactly what I would call trying to please too many people.

 

It was trying to please SJW's, while telling regular folks they're idiots. Subverting expectations is one thing, creating gaping plotholes size of the galaxy while doing it for no reason other than rianjohnsons ego is something else. I myself am outraged due to the fact that last jedi destroys any and all logic, completely ruining any sense of immersion whatsoever. I was waiting for the film to finally end. So very very sad. And in the VERY end, Finns sacrifice ruined, Luke ruined, Mareysue god tier powers, all that nonsense. Star wars universe and inner-consistency-logic gone forever.

Rey-Ren link and team-up is literally the only good thing. The only one! And then they ruin that too.

 

Just so I'm clear: when you say "regular folks," who are you talking about? White men?

 

I think he means anyone who isn't an SJW.

And, it shouldn't be that hard to come up with some COOL stuff to do for a scrappy band of unlikely heroes led by a magic-space-samurai, especially when you've been handed the most iconic cinematic universe for them to do it in. If they had done that then I think they'd have made a lot more fans happy... at least this one.