The Two Channel Advice Thread

Discussion in 'Advice Threads' started by purr1n, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    You know if Carmody has a write-up of these? Weird that it's not on his site.

    $234 flatpack at diysoundgroup. Tempting
     
  2. fraggler

    fraggler A Happy & Busy Life

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    I never found one. Just the blurb on DIYSG.
     
  3. ultrabike

    ultrabike Measurbator - Admin

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    The drivers used for the S2000 maybe proprietary (as in, I don't see them for sale on parts-express, madisound and the likes). Unlike the OS, the S2000 might be a diyaudiogroup "DIY" exclusive.
     
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  4. fraggler

    fraggler A Happy & Busy Life

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    Interesting. Well, I might have to try building a set in the early new year when things might slow down for a brief bit. Nothing wrong with my OS's, just curious (and I am also not a huge fan of the color of the OS woofer).
     
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    ultrabike Measurbator - Admin

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    A ND105-4 might be a suitable candidate to replace the HiVi driver, but it costs a little more (xover would need to change). Again, the HiVi is a steal, but some might be willing to pay $8/driver for blackness. It also goes a little lower in a similar size cabinet.
     
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    Don't mind me interrupting your wallowing in the cheap bastidry, but the man asked for a 4000$ system. And building your own speakers without tools/space/know-how can end up being a less-than-pleasant experience.
     
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    I did also specify my aversion towards DIY. Anywho... Seems like there's not as much consensus in the 2 channel world as the portable audio world. For about two years here if you asked a similar question about a portable setup you'd get ZX2+Andros from about 80 percent of the respondents.
     
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    That's partly because you only have to find the right tips for your ear canal. The same 2-channel setup will not sound the same room-to-room. There are many more variables and trade-offs to consider, space limitations, WAF, etc.
     
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    If you most spend $4000 I like Genelec in general. They have a Genelec 8331 demo model for $2K each here ($250 extra for brand new):

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...8331-sam-3-way-coaxial-powered-studio-monitor

    May need to buy a sub.
     
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  11. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    @Stuff Jones - what kind of moving are we talking about that they need to be so compact? Like do you just have a suitcase and the shirt on your back or you have a moving van?

    The two-way PA speakers @spwath has are made to move from gig to gig. I would consider that or a 3-way classic if you got the room.
     
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    Lol I just get work overseas from time to time and so so far have tried to limit my accumulation of expensive large stuff. But I should be back stateside for a couple of years now so size is not a limiting factor and just a preference.

    BTW I've noticed another massive gap in my understanding here. I was assuming that like my Vanatoo T0s, studio monitors would have DACs built in. Au contraire. But none of the reviews talk about DAC pairing or DACs period. Apparently the pros call them Audio interfaces and don't think they matter enough to SQ to mention them in speaker reviews? They also rarely use words like "timbre" that we audiophiles so commonly banty about. These are people doing this for a living - are we just making this all up?! I realize it's maybe not the right thread for this discussion...
     
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  13. spwath

    spwath Collegiate hijinks master

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    I give my respect to Roadies moving these 85lb speakers from gig to gig. Was enough work to move them upstairs for a party. But certainly won't break during moving. Worry free
     
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    @Stuff Jones
    Maybe you need your own thread to keep track of things as it's getting more complicated now, and I think you need to take a step back and redefine what you have/what you need, otherwise we're just throwing random ideas at you which isn't terribly useful.
     
  15. Cellist88

    Cellist88 Afraid someone will shit on his opinions

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    My recommendation is Just go to a big pro audio store and try out studio monitors to test what type of sound you like. Like you will find out if you hate amt tweeters, or soft dome tweeters, or BE drivers in the focal high end. I ended up with Eves, when I thought I wanted brands such as adam, genelec, neumann. Eves are really good. ask @David De Lucena . He seems to be the only other EVE user on this forum. HELP ME out David! say something! Also I find it very easy to adjust to any room with the dsp settings, or fine tune the sound to my liking. With the sub, you don't even need a preamp as it controls all volume for the sub and the monitors. Just need to input a source via xlr. Integration between the sub and monitors are flawless. I was skeptical at first because you never want to add a sub in a 2 channel monitoring system but its very nice. Equivalent quality monitors will cost at least 2x more, and at best I think they sound different. I can't listen to Genelecs because they are so bright in comparison. Same with Adams as well along with extra bassiness with their front ports. I haven't heard the HEDD, but all i can say is that eves are a joy to listen to.....they are detailed but aren't surgical, and fatigue free. Best is to audition, but room rules over everything in consideration. Don't get like huge speakers for a small room with no room treatment or they'll sound bad anyways.
     
  16. David De Lucena

    David De Lucena Science Nut

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    Of course this is IMHO, but I have tried genelec 8040, Yamaha Hs8 and focal solo6.
    In my living room, eve 207 had the best sound qualities for enjoyment. I can listen many hours and don’t analyze the equipment.And I have the hd800 just around me when I want a little blood in my ears!
    :pirate07:
     
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  17. Riotvan

    Riotvan Got lost for three weeks at Delft City Hall

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    Hate sounding like a fan boy but i have to throw Quested into the mix as well if you're auditioning monitors. For me Focal and Genelecs were too bright as well. I am a softdome guy though. Ribbons are hit or miss. Metal is a nope.
     
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  18. Imraan

    Imraan Wow, I made it this far without being a friend?

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    I need the hive mind's input please:

    I've recent got my hands on a set of powered monitors (Presonus E8), a measurement mic (UMIK-1) and software (REW).
    I'm attempting to set them up in a shitty room, and use the Convolution and PEQ features of Roon (My primary music player) to compensate as much as possible for the shape and size of the room, which is 3.35mx3.75mx2,85m. (19x28x79 furlongs for non-metric peeps).

    I have some basic foam based treatments up (They were free). Bass treatments are not an option for various reasons.
    Positioning is pretty much fixed as it's a multi-use room. It's filled with shelves and toys and such, so dispersion is good above 2-300Hz. T30 is 0.352s (250Hz-4KHz)

    Chain is RPi+DIGI+Pro->GumbyA1->Passive Vol->Monitors.

    I've been playing around for the last few days both with the small position changes I can make, and with EQ.

    I just finished calculating a convolution and PEQ for the speakers. I followed this guide for the most part - but did sinus sweeps instead of MMM Avgs. used a 90Deg cal file for the mic and had it on a stand next to my head in my listening position.

    After EQ etc. what I have right now sounds pretty good, and definitely better than uncompensated:

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    *NB I'm a bit of a bass-head.

    This is my EQ Target:
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    What I need clarity on is:

    1. Is the post Roon Convolution & PEQ curve slope exaggerated in comparison to the pre curve (and the target EQ curve) because I'm using pink noise (REW WAV file played from Roon and level-matched) to measure the post curve and I used a Sinus sweep to measure the pre curve? NB - I don't think it sounds too rolled-off.
      1. If so, what's best practice to measure pre and post compensations curves that are directly comparable?
      2. If not - please explain what's going on here :)
    I'm very new to acoustic measurements, my physics and chem lab experience was a long time ago, so I would appreciate some confirmation that I have the concepts correct.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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  19. Priidik

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    Whether pro-s care about timber and plankton probably highly depends on genere and target audience.
    99% of cases it's irrelevant.
    It shows in the voicing and sound of the new era monitors. Also in the general quality of most modern mainstream recordings.

    The DSP and Class-Dead amped monitors wash away a lot of stuff I personally care for in listening for pleasure. You can get active speakers with A-B amps without adc-dac fuckery and go nuts with source selection, if that's your thing.
    I haven't heard all of the new era dsp-class-d creations, but the ones I have heard do sins of omission, yet almost never sins of commission. The DSP Gennies sound impressively clean and clear. I have recommended these dsp Genelecs to people who are not willing to screw around with audiophile crap, but want hi-end sound. This is as close as it gets, I suppose.
     
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  20. Hekeli

    Hekeli Almost "Made"

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    I loved my SC307 which I compared to many. But 15"+horn is the way to go. ;) Granted, they are not as airy as those lovely AMTs..
     

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