USS Iowa (BB-61) Battleship Tour

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  1. purr1n

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    This was badass and I'm glad I did it. Given the Iowa caucuses today, it would seem to be an appropriate time for this post. The USS Iowa is a museum ship docked at San Pedro next to Long Beach. (BTW, the Queen Mary is a few miles away, but that tour was a total rip-off). This is a view of the Iowa from the parking lot. What a sight to behold!

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    I only realized that I took few pictures because the self-guided tour was so engrossing. The special tours into the main guns and boiler rooms cost quite a bit of money - we didn't so this because we were with a large party of guests. Perhaps next time.

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    The best part was talking to the vets, from WWII through the Gulf War. The Iowa saw decent action, but was never substantially damaged. One vet showed us a ding on the turret from a 5" shell. It was just a ding. I believe these turrets had like 16" of steel armor. He showed us the powder bags (in reality they would weigh about a 100 pounds) for the 16" guns. Ten of these bags would be shoved right behind the projectile. The guns could shoot these 2500lbs projectiles up to 25 miles. Each turret required four dozen sailors to operate. The power bags were stored deep deep into the ship in armored compartments. Supposedly the Navy had nuclear rounds too. My son had a really fun time because he watches all these YouTube videos on history and war. (He actually went to see the film Midway, where he commented that the audience in the theater were only old people who probably fought in WWII).

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    One thing I learned is being on a naval vessel is nothing like being on a cruise ship. The enlisted men had to sleep in bunks three high with two rows facing each other - and this was later too. In WWII, we saw photos of men sleeping 5 high in hammocks! There was absolutely no privacy. The officers had it better, but not much really. There were a million places to trip and fall over stuff. Nothing like a Starfleet vessel. You had to absolutely know your way around the ship.

    I also learned that the guns had advanced targeting computers back in WWII when the ship was launched. There were two spots up top on the ship for fire control and further redundancy in the turrets themselves. An analog computer calculated how the guns were to be aimed based on target range, bearing, speed, wind, and other factors that could be dialed-in the computer. The navy vet told me there were three handles on the computer. One alerted the guys in the guns to get ready, the second would wait until the ship was level on the bouncy seas before automatically firing, and the third would just fire the gun. A firing radar would track where the shells landed and adjustments would be made to the computer. This system, despite being from the 40s was so advanced for its time, that it wasn't changed during the Cold War retrofit, which removed several 5" guns and replaced them with Harpoon and Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    We also got a nice story about the South Dakota and Washington engagement with a Japanese fleet, and how the South Dakota lost her power and then the beating that she took (stuff you won't find on Wikipedia).

    This is the inside wheelhouse. It's a battleship, so we can't see out of it except for the portholes. There is also a wheel and controls outside too. A ton of redundancy. It's nothing at all like in Star Wars were the Executor Star Destroyer spins out of control and explodes just because someone crashes into the bridge.
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    Here is view just outside and to the left overlooking the main guns in front.
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    One last photo here to show the enormity of the guns.
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    Anyway, if you live in the SoCal area, or are just visiting, highly recommend that you make this trip.
     
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    very cool. props to the vets for sharing and to those wanting to listen to them. many of those guys deserve to come home and be worshiped like members of the rolling stones. most of what they go through gets minimalized and forgotten. cool to see things like this and the nods they got during the super bowl.

    history channel stuff like this used to be able to pull me in for an entire night or weekend. not so much anymore with small boys but I still love it.
     
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    Totally second that recommendation - battleships are bad-ass. There's quite a few options depending on where you are in the US. I've crawled around the USS Alabama, which is in Mobile, AL (oddly enough) and the USS New Jersey, which is surprisingly in New Jersey (Camden to be exact). The Alabama is a South Dakota class, which preceded the Iowa class ships (which the New Jersey is as well). The Iowa class were 200 feet longer and are some amazing ships. If you do have the chance to go into one of the main guns or engine rooms it's even crazier. That picture of the bridge I believe is the combat bridge, but there were also 2-3 other places to steer the ship. That's ~1.5 foot thick steel around the combat bridge - nothing was getting through that! However, wouldn't want to be on the ship when that was really needed...

    If you like the battleships, I also recommend touring a flat top as well. The USS Intrepid is cool in NYC, and also has a Space Shuttle (the Enterprise), SR-71 and Concord on display, and in San Diego the USS Midway is impressive as well.

    Wish more people took the time to understand and appreciate our military history. Last time I was on one of the ships I asked the officer of the deck (he was a cool old vet) permission to come aboard while facing the flag before stepping off the brow onto the quarterdeck and he straightened up, winked, granted my request and shook my hand. Coming from a long line of vets it's always nice to follow some traditions, even if it's not technically required on museum ships. And the vets are treasure troves of information and great with kids. One vet on the New Jersey talked to my 10 year-old son for over 15 minutes and answered every question with total focus. My son was in heaven!

    *(Note - there's an error purposefully included somewhere in the above descriptions - let's see how fast any other military geeks pick it up.)
     
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    Here's the view off the bridge of the USS New Jersey. Wouldn't want to be on the Ben Franklin Bridge (or anywhere in the greater Philly area) if that thing let loose!

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    And here's a young hotshot gunner on the USS Intrepid. He loved the gun emplacements!
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    As a kid I visited the USS North Carolina that started a fascination with WWII ships (one that unfortunately died with college, career and RL). Rekindled when I took my kids on the New Jersey about 15 yrs ago... truly impressive ship, but much of it was closed/off-limits. It was disappointing how little we actually got to see.

    A few years after our New Jersey trip, I took my son's scout troop to the Buffalo Naval Park and we all got to stay overnight on the last Cleveland class cruiser (USS Little Rock), were able to tour a Fletcher class destroyer (USS Sullivans) and a sub (USS Croaker). The Cruiser was incredible... it was converted to a guided missile cruiser in the 50's. We had the run of almost the entire ship and saw all sorts of things that were off limits to the regular daily tour groups.
     
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    Years back during fleet week in NYC I got to board the Missouri
    no tour but standing on the deck was something to see.
    The intrepid is worth touring as well as the sub & destroyer
    next to it.
    I took a bus tour of Norfolk naval base when I was in virginia
     
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    I am going to be in San Diego in a couple of weeks and enjoy military history. Besides the Midway, what else is there that I should take in?
     
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    USS Iowa is great, been on her twice now. Once during fleet week with some friends and then on Christmas Eve last year as a stop from work when there was hardly anyone visiting. Did the USS Midway tour back in late November and thought it was a bit too touristy and crowded especially when you walk down the narrow doorways.

    USS Iowa you get left alone, you can explore it on your own time and really get to soak in the history of the ship without getting rushed along. The steel was so thick on the USS Iowa was also so thick that once you get inside, the cell reception pretty much is gone. I enjoyed that since I got to actually enjoy the ship without distractions.
     
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    If you go over to Coronado there's a great beach to walk around (easiest reference point is the Hotel Del). As a bonus there are frequently helos, jets and Ospreys flying around and always a few ships on the horizon. If you get lucky you can sometimes see the students from BUD/S training running the beach or paddling the waves. Just don't walk too far south on the beach as you'll get turned around by guards at the amphibious base. There are also a good number of ships of all shapes and sizes there in San Diego bay.

    The following link is from a company that does amphibious tours in SD, but it includes a pretty good summary of the military sites in the area - https://www.sealtours.com/san-diego/military-history/.
     
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    Great Pictures, the Iowa-class is my favorite battleship, sad they're not competitive anymore.... I did visit USS Missouri when I visited Hawaii, fun to be standing on the spot where Japan surrendered in WWII.... And those who haven't should watch "Under Siege", the movie featuring USS Missouri, including firing its main gun....
    I'm living in Korsor, Denmark, the town with one of Denmarks two Naval Bases, home to the most powerful ships in the Danish Navy (yes I know, just three Frigates....), visiting each year with my kids when they have their yearly open house....
     

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