Yggdrasil Refined - New Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 (Yggdrasil A2) Sound Impressions

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  1. gefski

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    Did you see on the news this AM, northbound FedEx truck went into water at Shasta. Driver OK, but truck and everything in it is gone. :D
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    You guys are funny. I'd love to be on @Torq's cruise ship. There's a Gopher to introduce me to all the hot babes right?
     
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    Cruise ships run on hot babes.
     
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    On "source first": I will be direct.

    You will not understand "source first" if the rest of your chain is not ready. Once you have settled into a speakers and an amp, that is you are happy with them for at least a year (better two or three), and they are sufficiently high quality, then all you have left is source.
     
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    That's because of several reasons:
    1. You use headphones (that don't portray depth well)
    2. You listen to music with craptastic recording quality
    3. You use modest gear
    4. You are poor or do not have sufficient expendable income
    5. You've take my impressions out of context. I've been on record that DACs sound more similar than not.
    In one sense, on a good system, there can be said to be significant (as opposed to incremental) improvements in performance from Modi Multibit to OG Gungnir Multibit to Yggdrasil A2, For example, I cannot stand Modi Multibit on either one of my speaker setups, knowing that I can easily have a Yggdrasil A2 or SFD2 in its place.

    In another sense, I did many many more hours on Modi Multibit / SDAC than I did Yggdrasil A2, because those DACs are what what I had in my office (modest amps and whatever random headphones). Perfectly happy with the office setup.

    Remember, once you get to Yggdrasil A2's price point, it becomes a rich man's hobby.
     
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    Yggdrasil A2 is noticeably better than OG Gungnir Multibit.
     
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    OHHHH NOOOESSSSS…
    Would this be a case for MONDO Audio Nervousa (he says trying not to hyperventilate, while madly looking for the Fed Ex tel # and searching their website for all the gory details…)

    Oh…
    Never mind…

    You're such a kidder…
    hahahahahhahahahahahahaha

    JJ :cool:
     
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    People need to come off that rich man's gear.

    These "high end" DAC, amps & headphones costs the same as a washer & dryer or a nice TV, refrigerator, table set, sofa/couch set. Even some designer clothes cost as much.

    I figure, if you can afford the luxury of owning a refrigerator to keep your food cold, you can afford the luxury of having nice gear to improve your sound system.

    The overtly expensive ones, that cost as much as a brand new 2018 dealership priced Mercedes, are the ones strictly for people with disposable incomes.
     
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    Great post Marv!
     
  10. purr1n

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    No. It's not elitist attitude. It's honest advice.

    We've seen way too many meltdowns from people in the hobby already. One nice piece of $2500 gear leads to another $4000 improved same type gear, leads to a better amp or whatever for another $4000, leads to several more headphones costing $10k, and sundry accessories costing near as much as everything before those. And then before you know it, REAL LIFE SHIT hits. You may not know about these meltdowns because in most of these instances, the details are private.

    Appliances are almost a necessity in modern life, and they return dollars (in the form of savings) in the long term as landromats, dry cleaners, and restaurants are not cheap. No one f'ing needs an Yggydrasil. Like cars, audio gear dollar averages to zero over time.

    P.S. my TOTL washer, dryer, and dishwasher combined costs less than an Yggydrasil A2. The dishwasher is a year old. The washer and dryer I've had over 10 years. My two Panny plasma TVs (one purchased at a garage sale) combined cost less than a LCD2C.
     
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    Over time, I learned a simple rule. Unless it is a necessity (shelter, food, medicine, ...), I don't get it unless I could replace it right away, cash, without thinking twice, if I lost it.
     
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    I think of it this way: it sucks to be you.
    And its corollary: it sucks to be me.

    Most people think this sucks to be you is a horrible statement, but in fact it's very healthy.

    For example: I cannot easily afford a Porsche Panamera or BMW M5, or even a Dodge Charger Hellcat, therefore I am relegated to a Dodge Charger Scat Pack. Sucks to be me.

    Being realistic sucks, but it's psychogically healthy. I can stretch myself for the Panamera, but doing so would just be the beginning of extreme suffering.
     
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    I see this topic as a demonstration of transference.
    As in "if only I had this or that, then I'd be happy".

    It's not the gear nor it's performance, but the expectations, which invariably are not met.
    And even if the performance is stellar, due to the lack of experience and as I put it Calibration, the subtle nature that this high end gear can deliver, may not even be perceived, at least in the short to mid term.

    Mean time, the perspective is that their expectations, based at least in part upon others who are experienced and know what to listen for, who are reporting audio delights, stokes the fire.
    Which in turn leads them to believe that all they need to do is get this or that piece of gear and audio nirvana shall be theirs as well.
    Which is true enough in potential but there is more to it than just purchasing a piece of gear and that's the end of the journey, especially at the very top of the audio food chain.

    And as for those who spend WAY more than they can afford, again expectations are a powerful influence, one that can provide a learning experience, one way or the other, and those kinds of life lessons are for each to come to terms with.

    So if 'we' try and 'fix' their expectations (and in a variety of ways) are we really helping them, or merely delaying learning from those types life lessons?

    Just a few thoughts to ponder.

    JJ
     
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    Well I lucked out and snagged an A2 with low hours. After an estimated total 150 hours, I am pleased that low bass notes can be felt thru my feet more prominently than before with my Gungnir Multibit. My AGD DAC-19 10th has more relative bass bloat (in a good way) than A2, but it's not as tight, full-bodied (tone), and of course not as resolving in general. (This is all with BNC coax input.)

    To my ears, A2 is not just more Gungnir Multibit, it's generally a big step up as a clearer and more cohesive window into the soundstage and acoustic space. Congested passages of rock for example are rendered with more distinction between instruments, and those instrumental characters blend less (don't sound as mashed up or confused) during those passages. Haven't gotten to any solo piano yet but looking forward to that eventually.

    There are also timbre and macro dynamic differences that I haven't attempted to place relative to Gungnir Multibit, but that I've noted in the semi-serious listening I've done so far. I like to listen in a relaxed fashion, such as while doing other things because I know something is working right if I stop to think to myself "wow, that piano sounds real" or "wow I haven't heard the bass sound like that before." A fuller sound overall, to be sure. Like @earnmyturns, I listen for cymbals and drums as reference points. The A2 really seems to deliver.

    All this however is from someone who hasn't heard other high-end DACs in my own system. While I can't say I've been impressed with what I've heard at local audio retailers, my impressions are limited in this respect. Still, I'm impressed enough thus far with the purchase, and doubly so with the discount off full retail and the current shipping delays. But I was ready to go full retail so I suppose it's fair to say I think it worth the overall expense.
     
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    I figured I'd save money by just skipping to gear at the top of the not-insane price bracket. There's no impulse to buy and sell gear. I'm done.
     
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    Agree. This is what I did in my recent purchase. The delta cost from the Gungnir MB to the Yggdrasil wasn't crazy and was top of line -- at least within one company.
     
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    My A2 upgrade just got back from Schiit. Pondering whether leaving it on but not playing anything for the next few days is enough to get the intended burn-in/stabilization, or whether I need to get it actually "working". I have a spare digital source and a spare headamp that I could connect to it to make it "believe" it is being "used" ;)
     
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    In my experience getting all of the circuits operating seems to result in less 'settling in' time than merely being powered up.
    But since this is an upgraded unit it may not make as much difference because all of the rest of the Yggdrasil has been used a bunch already.

    Still those 2 boards are the heart of the whole unit and they will need time to fully settle in.
    So if you can feed it a digital signal in and out I would think it would take less time overall.

    I should be getting mine tomorrow as well and it will immediately go into the system so I can monitor it as it morphs and changes.

    JJ
     
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    Schiit burns in Yggys when new for days... just listen to the damn thing and enjoy it! The A1 is still better than most DACs even cold and by some reports the A2 warm-up is quicker.
     

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