Give her a location. She will sail to it and be angry with the world because that is her thing. I still think she is kind of admirable (despite her being the perfect poster child for the current issues as the media painted her to be.)
She's a kid with a message and a chip on her shoulder with beliefs that many align with. I do share worries about the world being habitable for myself or my theoretical kids in the long term.
Lectures aren't going to do anything, no one will cut their profit to lessen environmental impact, human psychology is fascinating, strong individual survival instinct but let go to hell all together.
I still wonder, if she is 20-ish and wants to live in a house and have a comfortable live; how is she going to deal with the necessary compromises? Now her parents support her. Once you pay your own bills you have yourself to blame...
@Deep Funk That's the thing, isn't it? When adult responsibilities start tying you down there's less time to talk, less time to listen to music or read books, less time to think about things outside of meeting your basic societal obligations. That in itself sends a message about how things work nowadays.
Might be growing cynical from my internship at a psych clinic, hah.
In The Hague and Amsterdam people hit the streets, a lot of kids too. Good. Fast forward to 10 years later, you have a job. A day on the streets is a day less pay. Activism does not pay for itself, someone has to support you. You can idolise an activist but do you want to pay their health insurance or rent? I do not know.
And the systems established that *require* people to have health insurance, rent, etc. were duly instituted by humans for the benefit of the species as a whole, no?
I'm something of a fan of Sir Ken Robinson as far as education goes, so it's no real surprise that my views on conformity and activism are what they are. Violent protests? Hate em, but sometimes people are pushed to violence by chance and circumstance
It's a good message that's worth hearing out; the manner of delivery is unfortunate but it's gotten attention so cannot be said to have failed; dramatic headlines>reasoned arguments. That said, I see where @ultrabike is coming from, actionable steps would be appreciated as much as merely drawing attention to the problem, and most people seem ill-informed on that front (e.g. paper straws v targeting industrial-scale).
It's gotten attention for sure, and people love to be distracted so they can't focus on the real things, Sweden is kind of a mess, brainwashing kindergartners with forced diversity yet they like to appear progressive with this climate change.
Saw a car the other day "This vehicle is limited to 70mph to reduce the carbon footprint" and I was like WTF, that's the speed limit.
There are higher speed limits than 70mph in the United States. I frequently travel I-69 and there's a 100+ mile stretch from Lansing to Port Huron that is 75mph.
Even so, these are work vans and always had a sticker to say this car is limited to... it's wrong everyone and their mother is getting into the climate change marketing while doing bugger all about it.
Step 1: Limit meat consumption
Step 2: Kill fast fashion
Step 3: fart less
It's funny how the media points to meat consumption as the main issue while agriculture is way more destructive and kills a lot more animals and important insects(bee's). It's also pretty much insignificant compared to transportation, industry and power generation. But the latter three are too inconvenient and will cost money too solve while forcing everyone to buy plant based stuff means more money.
"Greta isn't doing it right" LOL. Why the f**k should Greta have to come up with actionable steps? She is doing her thing in her way. Plenty of other people/orgs have the actionable steps covered.
The US has done quite a bit to lower emissions in the past decade. Same with the EU, even moreso (they started earlier). And there's more progress every year. The problem is that Greta is preaching to the choir, a Western audience that is aware and taking steps. The real issues will be 10-20 years from now. China, India, Brazil, etc.
Unfortunately, it's not quite fair and kind of mean and inconsiderate to tell developing nations to f**k themselves and their people from a fiscal point of view. Being good to the environment is expensive. I mean, I've love to sail to Taiwan to visit my relatives instead of flying, but I don't have the vacation time.
@Boops, because we're at the point of naming and shaming the worst offenders so the world knows what comfort they have to sacrifice. Whatever needs to be done it will and should have an impact on our daily lives.
Personally I think Greta is annoying as hell and wrong on a lot. I also think she's probably making the future world a better place by making climate change action a public moral issue.
Pretty sure corruption is up there too. Say taking a gift to allow some company raise a mountain and pollute the area with nasty stuff. Even worse and the bane of mankind, stupidity and laziness. How the f**k do you fish by taking everything in the ocean in mile long nets, keep the fish you want and dump the dead things back including but not limited to other fish, dolphins, turtles, sharks etc.
@Stuff Jones I mean that it was masturbatory. The length of the text and the style of the writing (paternalistic, mannered, over-intallectualized) suggested to me that the author was more interested in indulging himself than in persuading anyone of anything.
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