petition for marv to release his article on the headphone industry

I agree with Luckbad here. It's kind of a tough situation especially working for an audio company as reputable as Eddie Current (or any other audio company for that matter). You can't slam the industry because then it's like you slam consumers (which I think everyone agrees you can't do). Even if these consumers aren't buying your products kind of puts you on the blacklist.

 

There is no guarantee you will. The point is that you could potentially lose customers by bashing the people who spend that type of money on your products versus someone elses. When you write about things such as this you would have to cite specific examples cough Audeze cough. It could backfire on you even though you may be right underestimating the general population can be very tricky (especially fanbois).

It's just a fine line you run the companies I hate the most are ones with crappy products and have the gall to bash someone elses products. Not saying Marv is in that position because he is definitely not but turning attention in the wrong direction could definitely cause problems for yourself and for your business. All it takes is one person to get take it the wrong way then you have a massive issue that wasn't there before.

I'm all for freedom of speech so I don't want you thinking I am claiming just keep quiet but someone like me who is just a by standard saying it is different than someone like Marv saying something. I have nothing to lose because I am not in the industry but my credibility (whatever that is worth I'm just a nobody) may take a hit.

 

Definitely agree with you here. It is an important issue to address and at some point I think it will come out but the question is whether it will come from Marv or someone else in the industry. There is always a starting point but to me there are just too many variables personally and professionally to decide whether or not it will be you.

VelvetX doesn't mean anything in the Audio Industry so if I say something people will just read over it and it will get lost but if Marv MOT: Eddie Current says something the impact will be much greater and not just us but everyone else might be looking for blood.

To me it's like Luckbad said there are specifics pointing to people not only saying things they shouldn't be but talking about things in the video game industry who have lost their jobs, their credibility, and everything they have ever done because of saying something against the industry. It's sad we live in these types of conditions but in the end you say it when you have nothing to lose by doing so. It doesn't make you a coward it makes you smart.

 

It's not the MOT thing. I will probably step back from MOT @ EC toward the beginning of next year. Between this forum and my actual paying job, it's too much work.

The reason it's not being published is because the points are obvious:

1. Good things since three years ago: a lot more selection, some really decent stuff, lots of new choices: Ether, HE560, T50RP3, Dharma, K7xx, many more. Heck throw the new Sony Z7 in there too.
2. Stupid big-boy audiophile pricing. Shopping at Whole Foods or Erewhon costs twice as shopping at the big chain grocery store, not five to ten. HEK, LCD4 are too expensive for what they are. Sennheiser's marble amp reflects stupidity of big-boy audiophile community which will never grow or possibly contract going forward because too few people can afford $100K Magico speakers and old people are dying. Audeze used to be cool and have this small boutique operation kind of charm, especially when Alex was around. (I know I will miss him at the Audeze booth). Now there are idiots with lab coats at the shows the and meets (my experience with them wasn't too far different from some of yours' that you wrote about - I love pretending to be stupid when I sit down at the meets and ask questions - one of the advantages that I can sometimes go incognito.)
3. Someone make a good traditional dynamic headphone please. Ortho craze needs to end.
4. On #1, in the more maturing market, we see stuff which has lasted throughout time with good pricing - mainstays such as HD600, HD650, STAX SR3070 system - akin to the Denon DL103R carts in vinyl world. Also more mature / trained / experienced ears. The crap is well known. For example, Ultrasone isn't talked about much these days as being a serious headphone manufacturer.
5. We need to make our own headphone audiophile society - which I guess this site kind of is. Would like to develop this further with more formalized loaner programs, membership dues (I think folks who donated or helped out here should get lifetime or 5 years free), maybe in another year or two. All of this takes work and seriously dedicated people.
6. #5 is because HF seems to want to rule everything. In California, HF people have been making a presence 3 or 4 times a year. HF hit 4 of 5 meets with an attendance of 40 people or more in the last 12 months. Seriously, I've seen Jude more often than I want. It's like hard to breath and organize hobbyist driven meets without Hugos at every other table. I like to see what people put together a la Atomicbob's synergy thread. At the big HF shows ... they are trade shows now where I hear this: "I can't afford any of this stuff". It wasn't that way five years ago. You'd have people bringing more DIY or good used stuff or stuff found for cheap on the 'gon. Meets before HF took over were 20% vendor at most. Now it's 95% vendors with "lip-service" given to the hobbyists. It's like the true hobbyists have been pushed out from HF to here. Don't want to bash HF; but HF is evil in that it does not truly serve the hobbyists. It serves to enrich one person. People ask about the CS / HF thing. This is why. HF is afraid of losing 100% control and dominance.
7. Why do 85% of the headphone review sites out there make me want to puke with all these glowing praise reviews? They are worse than Stereophile (where we can see JA's measurements) and read between the lines. They make publications like TAS seem like a treasure trove of information. Even 20% of Six Moons reviews might be better.

 

Fcking BINGO! Exactement.
Everyone READ the above closely.
again, slowly.

The Hobbyist element is entirely non-existent at some/most HF meets and especially CanJam.
This was exactly the critical topic of the Pyrate lunch with IF at RMAF 2015- the industry, salesmen games, and expensive shit (yes Dan Ether C's I'm looking at you) that is foisted upon the consumer.
Instead of education, alternatives, listening sessions and people helping people with gear pairings and best practices.

Experienced and supremely relevant ideas were discussed regarding such goals, a true hobbyist association and we all tossed around ideas of a Charter, By-Laws, common traits which define a Headphone Hobbyist Association. without a Napoleon running around trying to direct corporate / sales interests.
this HHA implements a Web Of Trust where members control the sanctity of the Charter / ByLaws, thus allowing more than one site/forum to make up the HHA collective.

can you tell I'm game to ride on such a ship, with the experienced leadership amongst us to lead towards the greater good?
if this bankrupts a False Idol from detroit in the process, could care less.
bring the noise.