Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. wormcycle

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    You cannot possibly say it with the correct emphasis.
    The whole scenario is bullshit: first get lazy about police protection for the Capitol Hill, do not push back on the crowd when they are walking through the barriers and then...open fire when they are at the door. Brilliant crowd control strategy, why would be bother with a proper policing of a large demonstration if we can go to directly to the Tiananmen Square scenario.

    So police would open fire, presumably kill full bunch of unarmed people who could be easily controlled and dispersed id anyone had brain there, and then what? You have martyrs and guns blazing in half of the American cities.
    Brilliant, very similar to protecting His Holiness The Dalia Lama from Chinese invasion. And perfect start for Joe Biden.
     
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    Nonsense. Obviously correct crowd/protest control would be preferable but that didn’t happen and when people were endangering Congress deadly force by all precedents set by our country should have been used.

    there’s no f'ing way a crowd of black or brown skinned people would have gotten anywhere near the chamber.

    Also if there was no second impeachment and when there is no conviction it will set a dangerous precedent for what future presidents are able to do. Really scary path this takes us down.
     
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    The cops were outnumbered. The best they could do was manage the situation, slow them down. As far as opening fire, maybe we can ask the lady shot in the neck: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-new...ting-of-woman-during-capitol-riot-99171397641

    Plenty of angry BLM protesters in Santa Monica, LA, Portland, Seattle. Cops didn't open fire. Well, they did with smoke grenades and beanbags. And a few Feds did kidnap some into vans.

    Those porkers who have been identified by the FBI - they won't be loving life anytime soon. It's not local cops who put in LA jail for the night, or local courts who just kind of say "f**k it - they were just protesting."
     
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    they weren’t storming the capital in DC or threatening Congress.
     
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    They were storming courthouses and police precinct buildings.

    But not really the point. If you are three cops at gate, and thousands of people are storming down upon you, the last thing you do is shoot. The best you can do is manage the situation, conduct a strategic retreat. Under the circumstances, I think the cops did an amazing job. No one ever gives them credit. They shoot people, they are wrong. They don't shoot people, and they wrong. Basically, they are always wrong.
     
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    I’m not sure I agree that's why they didn’t shoot. It wasn’t tactical. They didnt feel like they could because the crowd was all white people with Trump gear. If it was brown people screaming about Allah they would have shot at the doorway bottleneck into the chamber until the crowd retreated.

    and furthermore if the rally was for BLM or some Muslim cause the Capital Police would have been prepared properly in the first place.

    the whole thing stinks of systemic racism.

    and I don’t understand why 1/6 has become political and partisan. 9/11 wasnt. But as soon as the GOP fucks up it’s nothing but excuses.
     
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    That's a hypothetical statement - on the same vein that I hear from Californians who have questioned why I moved to Texas: Ooooh aren't they all racists there? Why you are moving there? They don't give a shit about the environment. Everyone is a redneck who votes Trump.
     
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    They’re wrong because they shoot people of certain color and treat people of another color with kid gloves. If they either shot nobody or everybody, they wouldn’t be wrong.
     
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    To be clear what I was calling bullshit on was not your speculations about policing and crowd control, but the above racialist ideology. It's reaching cult proportions now. Have a question about politics, or your love life, or which breakfast cereal you should eat and which HP you should try next? Just consult your local racial theorist. It makes perfect sense because EVERYBODY knows it all boils down to (neo)racism. Anyone who disagrees must be racist!
     
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    Your a cultist. EVERYTHING boils down to race for you, even right and wrong, good and evil, truth and falsehood. A cultist is someone who simplifies everything down to a single unquestionable principal
     
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    There most certainly are bad cops. I most experienced this when I was younger and the SF Bay Area was more racist. I also do believe that there is racial bias i policing. However, I find blanket broad-brush statements and speculations highly offensive to people who have an incredibly difficult job.

    Please don't take my views here as supporting those idiots. I actually gave money to that black lady security guard who socked that white cracker lady in the face. She packed a mean punch.
     
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    I guess we disagree. :)

    I don’t understand the lack of seriousness here. It’s Congress. This was Domestic Terrorism. We’ve shipped brown skinned people off to Guantanamo for a life sentence and torture for much much less.

    I don’t know why exactly you chose Texas but I’ve never questioned it because I’m not you. I want you to be happy. An ex girlfriend of mine who I still really love lives in Montana and is surrounded by Trump supporters and “save the children” rallies. She loves it there and thinks I would too. I loved living in Alaska and it’s right wing generally. Aside from the real extremists, people are people. Then again I haven’t traveled in post Trump America.

    I hate living in the Bay Area and most of California that I know.
     
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    youve got me and my speculation very wrong. Sometimes things are racist. And this is one of those times. I see racism at play here to a large extent. I don’t see it everywhere. Calling me a cultist is laughable.

    when one set of actions or principles is applied to one race and not another it is called racism.

    You remind me of analmort in some ways.
     
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    Oh, it's serious. Those folks identified and arrested with be slapped with very serious felonies. Federal felonies. They are not walking away with any get out of jail cards. Prosecutors and judges won't be treating them with kid gloves.

    My assessment that the cops did what they best could, without shooting them - I don't know how that equates to lack of seriousness.

    Also, did you read my first reaction to this? I'm pretty sure many posts back, I said something to the effect of "shoot them."

    My natural response was one of anger. We can't stoop to that. (And this is why I would make a horrible cop, I would just shoot everyone). Just because the cops didn't shoot them doesn't mean the cops are wrong in this instance. Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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    On the broad brush / hypothetical:

    if they were angry muslims or black, the white Capitol cops would have just shot them.​

    What if I asserted:

    if they were asian male characters, Hollywood jews would have just made them into bad guys, asexual, Long Duk Dong, Mr. Yunioshi
    To me, I don't see much of a difference. We can't stoop to that kind of thinking because it only makes ourselves into worse people. Sure there are problems, but there are better ways of addressing it. Once you assume, stereotype certain people, you've fucked yourself.

    Also, the first argument is almost trying to say that the Trump protestors or insurgents, or whatever you want to call them, weren't punished enough because they were not shot in the face on sight. Sorry, but our country doesn't work that way. The fact that unarmed black people are unnecessarily killed by police without proper descalation procedures - this is a serious problem - but altogether different one. Conflating this with the Qanon bozos at the Capitol diminishes the severity of the problem, makes it more "political" than it needs to be. Today, once you make something "poltical" you lose. (To me, it's not a political issue).

    Even then, the needle on the police brutality scale rests with the citizens. New Yorkers were more than happy when Giuliani's police death squads roamed the streets and shot suspected perps 46 times back in the day.
     
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    So you don’t think that protecting members of Congress warrants a violent/deadly response if necessary?

    Again, this isn’t the same as police brutality in general. This is Congress and the DC Capital.

    With regard to racism, seeing racism and identifying it and acknowledging it is the only way to change it. It should be acknowledged here. From the lack of preparation from the leadership (who rightfully resigned) to the reaction by the police.

    we are very lucky this insurrection was led by idiots and nothing too bad happened because they had no real plan. Pence could have been strung up on a rope and Pelosi could have been assassinated. And more. Instead they acted like monkeys and spread their poo on the walls. But the police didn’t know that. This was a serious threat to Congress and just pushing back on the barricades is not the response that any country would have to this threat without something getting in the way. In this case, the only thing I see as a possibility is race (I open mindedly look at the situation and I can’t see any other explanation for the discrepancy between the threat and the response - no @crenca im not looking for racism)

    or you can claim that the entire capital police force are a bunch of pacifist wimps but I doubt that.
     
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    No I'm not a cultist. I simply know the statistics. Find any source you consider reputable and look at the likelihood of a black man being killed by police vs a white man. Depending on your source, it will be between 2.1 and 2.7 times more likely. So average of 250%.

    Also, these fine patriots attempted to bring done the government of the United States. Not a Wendy's or local police precinct. The government of the United States.
     
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    You see! You actually believe those things that liberal Californians say about Texas!

    My experience so far:
    1. I have experienced zero racism despite being a mixed-raced couple with my wife (well isn't that evil). It's like people do not give a shit here. Most people probably think I am Mexican or a Pacific Islander like The Rock. However, my son has seen stupid shit. One of his classmates, the one who complimented him on his Nike Air Max 2090 as "drip", wrote a short essay in English class titled "Ching-Ching Asian Buffet". LOL. The teacher scolded him and told him that was racist. I'm sorry, but while my son was telling the family this story, we all burst into laughter, and kept laughing.
    2. If you drive a Jeep, people do the Jeep wave. One lady threw a rubber duck through our open window: @duckduckjeep
    3. Most people in Corpus have Mexican blood. They also speak perfect English. Some speak both perfect English and perfect Spanish.
    4. Despite the trucks and stuff like the Ford Raptors and Jeep Gladiators and Trump flags, more people voted Biden than Trump.
    5. Texas leads the USA in renewable energy production. Texas produces more GWh than California by well over x2. I can actually choose my electric provider to be one that only sources from renewables for a slightly higher rate (a few cents per kWh) than one that uses a combination of fossil and renewables. I can choose to be greener than most any Californian and have chosen to do so.
    • Protecting members of Congress is the priority. When you are outnumbered 1000 to 1- this requires smarts. They fell back to defensible positions / narrow hallways. When necessary, one did shoot. One lady got shot in the neck. She died. Is this not violent enough for you. Or were more bodies of Trump "patriots" necessary to satisfy you?
    • You are severely overestimating the power of 9mm handguns against hundreds and thousands of people. Even John Wick had to pop people twice in the chest, and once in the head. If the cops had shot early on, it would not have ended well. The mob would have likely been incensed and uncontrollable. Not only that, Trump would have had a field day, twisting the reality into something altogether different.
    • Protecting members of Congress warrants the response that will best keep the the cops themselves alive (a dead cop can't protect anyone). I think you are way way out of your lane with respect to the professionalism of most law enforcement officers.
     
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    I want to make this a debate about Waffles vs. Pancakes. I'm on Team Waffles.

    Also problem with Black vs. White arguments: More White People in the US than anyone who is Black. Everyone keep talking about poor folks in Urban areas, but shit I seen tons of poor areas in rural areas (mostly White).

    Also when who is on the Police requires AA and Race Requirements? I dunno, some of these arguments are silly and it isn't solving any problems (problem with Police Departments, they are doing waaaaay too much stuff that isn't IMO part of their jobs).
     
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    Of course protecting the member of Congress in session warrants using deadly force if necessary, but it was not necessary. Particularly using indiscriminate shutting of the crowd at the doors. And thanks God someone on the scene had enough brain left to make this determination.
     

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