Kef LS50 competitors that fit on a desk

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by uncola, Oct 20, 2015.

  1. Armaegis

    Armaegis Friend

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    5,164
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Winnipeg
    Those Piega Coax are interesting. So that's a ribbon tweeter mounted into... a planar mid?? There really isn't much info there.
     
  2. 9suns

    9suns [insert unearned title here]

    Friend
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2017
    Likes Received:
    1,560
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    EU
    Crossover for the ribbon mid is 400hz in the older model, don't know in the new series (311, 511, 711), it has aluminum cabinets and propietary made woofers based on Scanspeak drivers, there's not much info on the new Piega Coax series but they sound like heaven, really.
     
  3. murphythecat

    murphythecat Self Imposed Exile

    Friend
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Trophy Points:
    93
    yeah, amphion are mindblowing. I still get to hear them at my dads. for a nearfield setup, these are at the top of my fav along harbeth
     
    • Like / Agree Like / Agree x 1
    • List
  4. Armaegis

    Armaegis Friend

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    5,164
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Winnipeg
    Yeah, but *what* is the mid? What is the other half of the coaxial driver?
     
  5. 9suns

    9suns [insert unearned title here]

    Friend
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2017
    Likes Received:
    1,560
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    EU
    Just found this video, didn't have much time to listen but seems to give a long explanation about the coaxial ribbon driver, explanation starts at 17:25
     
  6. Armaegis

    Armaegis Friend

    Friend BWC
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    5,164
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Winnipeg
    Ah, so it appears to be two planar ribbons.
     
  7. Decomo

    Decomo Facebook Friend

    Contributor
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2016
    Likes Received:
    160
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Location:
    Australia
    I have recently auditioned P3ESR and liked it a lot. It was pairing with Bryston amp and found good match and happy to live with it. :)

    Amphion looks very interesting and has very clean look and has passive radiator at the rear like Vanatoo T1.
    In my state, there is no dealer at all so impossible to try it. To physically audition it, I have to fly 2.5 hours to go to another state...

    If you don't mind asking, can you elaborate between Amphion and P3esr? My guess is that harbeth has better/sweeter midrange and better 3D imaging but Amphion is linear and neutral and better lower end control. Am I on the right track?

    And, is Amphion One15 and One12 big difference? The price goes up US$800 from One 12 to One 15 and another $800 to One18.

    Thank you... :)
     
  8. murphythecat

    murphythecat Self Imposed Exile

    Friend
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Trophy Points:
    93
    comparing amphion one18 and P3esr is quite easy for me to do since i went from one18 to p3esr. lived with the one18 for 2 year and been living with the p3esr for 1.5 years.

    one18: more bass and real extension down to 40hz, better imaging and pin point imaging (soundstage is very big and lots of space between musician) dare I say slightly unnaturally so actually but very impressive. more dynamic and fast.

    P3esr: better midrange in terms of tone and details, theres a cohesion in the sound that combine detail and musicality and just a natural rightness to the p3esr that is truly hard to let go. extension down to about 50hz. the presentation of the p3esr just makes you listen to the music, its a seductive sound hd650 like vs hd800 (one18). bass is softer but slightly more tuneful. depending on what you listen, it benefit from a sub. serious lack of SPL capabilities vs one18. if you need to play the speakers comfortably over 85db, go with one18. but i personally listen around 80db so the p3esr are just fine. do not buy the p3esr for a big room and playing loud music, they really do sound compressed over 85 db.
     
    • Like / Agree Like / Agree x 3
    • List
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2017
  9. Decomo

    Decomo Facebook Friend

    Contributor
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2016
    Likes Received:
    160
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Location:
    Australia

    Thank you so much for detailed feedback. :)

    My room is relatively small 3x4m and listen with nearfield environment. My Avg listening SPL is 77db with Max 84db.
    My typical music is Jazz, Classical, Rock and Vocal..

    If you don't mind asking, what amp are you pairing with P3ESR?
     
  10. murphythecat

    murphythecat Self Imposed Exile

    Friend
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Trophy Points:
    93
    a good old lm3875 gainclone with a TKD pot
     
    • Like / Agree Like / Agree x 1
    • List
  11. Decomo

    Decomo Facebook Friend

    Contributor
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2016
    Likes Received:
    160
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Location:
    Australia
    Thank you. I guess that it is DIY amp and my soldering skill is terrible so no chance for me...
    While shopping and demoing P3ESR, offered ProAc Tab 8 Sig speakers and purchased it which was kinda impulse buying...
    I only demoed for 5 ~ 10 mins and liked it more than LS50. Once it arrives my door next few days, will test further in my home setting.

    Again, thank you for sharing...
     
  12. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

    Friend
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Likes Received:
    6,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Northwest France
    I have an lm1875 and a TKD pot Im not using. Hmmmmm
     
  13. murphythecat

    murphythecat Self Imposed Exile

    Friend
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Trophy Points:
    93
    a literal gaincard circuitusing lm3875 is what ive been using for a year. it combines everything I like about SS, the only place lacking is holographic soundstage and the dynamics jumps of a good tube amp, but its not bad at all. a lm3875 is still very dynamic (much better then class d amps imo) and the soundstage still is blooming. I think they are tiny bit brighter then the source, but as I use a R2R dac and british speaker, the added brightness works just fine.
    I sold my recapped sony ta 707 and solely use the lm3875 gaincard as I find it just as good and much cheaper to run as the 707es is class a for the first 15watts.

    also, the gainclone can be modified using buffered input, regulate psu to make it sound even better. something I plan to do soon
     
  14. murphythecat

    murphythecat Self Imposed Exile

    Friend
    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    Likes Received:
    1,149
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I think if you use kits from audiosector, you can ask him to send you a amp board fully populated!
     
    • Like / Agree Like / Agree x 2
    • List

Share This Page