I'm really digging these - @shotgunshane delivers again with his recommendation! They're really clear and I like the low (subbass) rumble that I dont remember ever having from an IEM (atleast not with the Orion). The headstage is a bit bigger too, or maybe that is a by product of the clarity. Its also a tiny bit more comfortable with complicated parts, I guess because of the extra drivers. But I think I miss the smoothness and presentation from the Orions. There was something really nice about them that made me fight to choose between the two, atleast for the music I listen to. I still think my final upgrade path is the Andro.. But in the meanwhile these do really well!