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  1. JeffYoung

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    @Tobes , I found it odd at first, but it doesn't really bother me. I don't really understand the whole kerfuffle about the queue as I never use it. (I don't ever play individual songs either.) But I have used a lot of touch-centric UIs, and they do tend to require more tappety-tappety with ones fingers.

    My two "modes" of listening are either to pick an album and play it, or pick a song and start the radio from it. The two-click play is somewhat useful in that regard, although it could also be done with two separate buttons on the album page.

    As somewhat of a counter-point to @pedalhead , my 16 and 19 year-old daughters both love Roon. My wife, not so much. ;)

    I also passed on ROCK. I'll be installing Arch Linux on my fanless PC once I get the rest of the parts for it.
     
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    @JeffYoung, I have a few different modes of listening.
    When I'm playing whole albums of course the multiple clicks are not an issue. But one of the great things about Tidal is discovery of new stuff - where I'll sample music from albums, and if I'm enjoying let it play. I find Roon a real PITA for this type of listening.
    Another gripe I have is viewing the album cover - 2 presses to bring up the full size cover if in album mode, but if playing from a playlist I've got to load the album up and then multiple presses to view cover full size. This may be trivial to some, but I come from vinyl listening and the cover art is part of the experience for me. In Audirvana only one click on the thumbnail required and the same for playlists - where it can be left on the full size cover and change as the list plays.

    Like I said above, some of Roon's features are nice but the experience just comes off mediocre for me. I guess nothing is going to be to everyones taste, but the love for the Roon user experience just surprises me.
     
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    Looks like a big UI change is in the pipeline for Roon...eg, long-standing requests like vertical scrolling and one-click play are finally being addressed. The new UI is "as far from current Roon as Roon 1.0 was from iTunes!" . Have to hand it to these guys, they're not afraid to put out some major updates & changes when the user base requests something.

    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/one-click-play-please-on-the-roadmap/2100/196
     
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    Will be very interesting to see what they've fixed. I'd pretty much given up on Roon - lack of one click play is a deal breaker for me.
    I'm hoping for some SQ improvements too, since IMO Roon lags behind A+ in this regard.
     
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    The lack of one-click was annoying for me as well when I transitioned over from JRiver but now it is so second-nature that it's a no-issue.

    For what Roon does, for me, it's just fun to use.

    I still think it's overpriced.
     
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    In 10 months I haven't got used to it.
     
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    I had been using A+ but have been frustrated by the library management or lack thereof. I am getting away from using USB into my DAC by getting a AOIP solution that will feed my Yggdrasil via AES3. Since I need some kind of streamer/end point solution I figured it was time to trial Roon to see if I liked it. Going in, I was not a fan of the yearly subscription price nor was I exactly excited about the lifetime membership price.

    Before I tried Roon, I thought about using A+ 3.1 to play through a network player. But that had me using A+ for library management. No thank you!

    Roon was extremely easy to setup. I used my MacBook Pro as the Output and my iMac as the core with my 2 channel system as the zone. I was able to use my iMac, MacBook Pro, iPhone, and iPad as controllers. Then I setup another zone using my iMac as an Output to my nearfield system.

    The Roon user interface made sense to me right away. It is clean and easy to understand. It took me a while to figure some things out but, overall, it is straightforward to use. What I liked best was how easy it was to look at you music collection from so many different perspectives. As I was typing this, a new update just came out that makes Roon even easier to use.

    I just bought a lifetime membership for Roon and I think it is a bargain!
     
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    Glad to hear you're liking it! The interface is pretty awesome and the guys at Roon really do take people's wants into consideration and are open to improvements.

    Tonight's update is a perfect example. Lots of people bitched about the two-click play and now they've changed it to the more conventional one-click and play the rest of the album (which honestly is pretty normal lol).

    https://community.roonlabs.com/t/roon-1-3-build-259-is-live/29948

    I'm still looking to do a 3-person group buy since it's 10% off - yearly or lifetime packages are available.
     
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    Agree one click play - and play of subsequent tracks - is so much better.
    But why on earth did it take so long and so much petitioning to get this basic and sensible feature?
    The update demonstrates that it was pretty simple to provide both 'play at once' and queued playing.
    Anyway, this update has tipped me towards signing up again - I have only one month left on my current subscription and was considering dropping Roon. Now have to decide between a another year or the 'lifetime' deal.
     
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    I've been using Roon since last December, moving from Audirvana + and I absolutely love it. One of the things I really like about is both the seamless and fast cataloguing/updating of my library, the "liner notes", the ability to very easily search for artists/genres/content, and the Radio mode....love letting Roon find related content to a specific genre. I also find the Tidal integration to be superb and simple to use. BIG thumbs up from me.

    Roon are constantly improving the interface, functionality and features, and they really are responsive to customers when there are bugs/problems/glitches.
     
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    Tobes, quick side note so as not to derail: how do you like your Harbeths 30.1s? I've been thinking about getting a pair for over two years now.
     
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    Agree 100%. These attributes and functionality are also what I really like about Roon, as well. Also, not having to have a separate Audirvana mode to play my DSD files via DoP is a big plus.
     
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    Was able to found some time and played with Zoon trial this weekend.


    So far, I am pretty impressed.


    I have been using JRiver since 3, 4 years ago, while it is a powerful tool for library organization, I can’t deny the fact that it can get overwhelming at times.


    I can work through them with enough research, but it’s would be nice if the process can be simplified.


    Then comes Roon.


    My music library consist of mainly Japanese and Chinese Singer.


    I was expecting Roon will also encounter difficulties sorting out the Meta Data just like Jriver,


    But it did a far better job sorting out my poorly tagged files in the library.


    Though some of the album art was removed after the online meta data was applied.. so I need to find some way to get it back.


    There is also an issue with Yggdrasil Gen 5 USB, WASPI in exclusive mode that needs to solve, but that’s the only glaring problem I have with Roon so far.


    The UI of Roon is less cluttered than JRiver default interface, and looks much nicer.


    **Though I got a feeling if someone put enough effort into the Jriver custom interface (or even foobar), similar presentation can be achievable.



    The best thing out of Roon, for me was the remote play compatibility.


    Been using Jriver for a while, DLNA stream to PS3 and my home receiver has always been hit or miss.


    Sometimes they work, sometime they don’t. It’s pretty much a 50/50 crap shot most of the time.


    Heck, some times the server won’t even be recognized by my Jremote app…


    Roon on the other hand, while the DLNA to PS3 is still unreliable, chose airplay as the default method and it’s been working great so far.



    To me, Roon is a nice, premium play back software that work well. Though I am trying very hard to convince my self to justify buy the yearly or life time subscription at the current price.
     
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    If I may make a suggestion based on my own experience, if you think you're really going to like Roon, I'd pay for the lifetime subscription now. The only reason I say that is that I opted for the 1 year subscription last year, and when mine runs out later this year, I'm still going to have to pay $500 for a lifetime subscription. So my lifetime subscription will end up costing me $600 rather than $500...just my 2¢ FWIW.
     
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    I was having issue with Roon and Tidal getting the "network or connectivity is interfering with tidal playback" message. My Mac Mini was connected via ethernet and the problems went away as soon as I disconnected my cable and connected with wifi. I just assumed ethernet Would be the best way to go . Any reason why this is not the case? Even tried different cables.
     
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    @rigo, I've seen similar issues when the ethernet and wifi were fighting. Try turning wifi off and connecting via ethernet.
     
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    That's the thing I did have wifi off. Or are you saying that the order may make a difference. have ethernet disconnected, turn wifi off then connect via ethernet?
     
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    No, order shouldn't make any difference. Open the Activity Monitor and see if your network is really being bogged down. Ethernet should be much better.
     
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    So it's assumed that Roon will not support AU/VST in their client? I am thinking of getting the RME ADI2Pro to be an interface for Atomic Bobs IVS but based on what I've read, you can only do this with Jriver and maybe A+

    Look, I love Roon. I have the core running on my Synology NAS and I throw it all the FLAC I have and the software neatly takes care of the rest. I don't want to go back to A+ where I basically have to keep a drive with me as a library.
     
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    Roon has turned TIDAL from a great catalog with the worst interface ever to something pretty incredible.

    I'm conflicted about it, for sure. I've tried TIDAL on several occasions and have never kept it for more than a month at a time due to the abysmal software and complete lack of support for the application.

    Roon is way too expensive for what it does. $60 a year, sure, I'm in. Over $100 and it's simply too much.

    But Roon + TIDAL = holy crap. I've already discovered a couple of artists I'd never heard of like Nick Drake and Charlie Hunter thanks to Roon and the deep catalog of high res that TIDAL has.

    Do I give TIDAL money for their horrible software? Not by itself, heck no. Do I give Roon money for their overpriced data? Not by itself.

    Do I give money to both? We'll find out after my Roon demo runs out. I might grab it for $10/month if I could use it at work as well. I guess I'll have to look into that. Do I have leave my home PC on to use it remotely? I only want it for TIDAL at work.
     
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