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Discussion in 'Tales from the Bully Pulpit' started by purr1n, Oct 1, 2015.

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  1. lm4der

    lm4der A very good sport - Friend

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    Oh awesome, I'm totally going to ban OJ.

    Edit, wait, I read that incorrectly. You are supporting tolerance. Dammit. You live another day OJ, another day.
     
    lm4der, May 21, 2016
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  2. takato14

    takato14 God of Ruin

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    getting my hopes up with the "ban OJ" stuff... :^)
     
    takato14, May 21, 2016
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  3. sphinxvc

    sphinxvc Gear Master (retired)

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    "Too objective for subjectivists; too subjective for objectivists"

    Says it at the bottom of every page.
     
    sphinxvc, May 21, 2016
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  4. insidious meme

    insidious meme Ambivalent Kumquat

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    I'm glad that a great majority of visitors do not whine their way into figuring out the vibe of this forum.
     
    insidious meme, May 21, 2016
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  5. Thad E Ginathom

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    Speak for yourself mate! |\/|

    Oh, wait.... :oops:
     
    Thad E Ginathom, May 21, 2016
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  6. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Four things:
    1. We don't take ourselves seriously. Don't let the measurements fool you. We tend to have a disdain toward academia, AES papers (most which after 1985 are not well thought out), and scientific calculations and optimizations - especially if these things don't lead to better sound or easier understanding or if people are academically e-peening. This is audio, it's not that hard to understand.
    2. "Groupthink". Like "hyprocracy" in that the people who casually toss this term around are often the most guilty of it. (It's true.) Just because there is a majority consensus here on what sounds good of what sounds bad doesn't mean there is groupthink (which implies loss of creativity and dysfunction). Which leads to the next one.
    3. "Not too tight and not too loose". You figure out what this truly means. It doesn't just mean to "Too objective for subjectivists; too subjective for objectivists". There's a lot more to it.
    4. "Every one is right in their own way. No one is wrong". Unfortunately, we have to take a stand. There are certain things that are wrong. That being said, any piece of gear can be both good and bad. Just because we point out something bad about a product, doesn't mean there isn't anything good. We typically don't bother mentioning the good things because they are obvious or can be found on HF.
     
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    purr1n, May 21, 2016
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  7. The Alchemist

    The Alchemist MOT: Schiit - Here to help!

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    The Alchemist, May 21, 2016
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    If one wants an objective approach to audio, proly better to get oneself an electronics book and start going through a few IEEE papers. AES is not bad for starts, but IMO it should be complemented. Taking a few college courses or so, if one is truly passionate, may not be a bad idea.

    If one wants sort of an interest group, talk about stuff out there in the market, help folks and get some points of view about audio, share on some music stuff and just have a good time w/o the "everything is awesome", "MOT", "FOTM" approach, this is a good place to be IMO.

    BTW, I sort of think I get what the "objective" approach means after going through a few pages of Doug Self's book. But in all of my classes in EE, I've never even heard the "objective" term being thrown around, nor have I seen it in serious Electronics, Networks, EMF (electro-magnetic fields - not that electro-motive force BS), DSP, ASP, Signals & Systems, Digital Design, and so on books or course work. There is no "objective" vs "subjective" stuff when you go down the engineering path.

    This place does deal with some engineering stuff. And some concepts are discussed. But this is obviously not a place to get a degree in EE, CS or whatever. This is a place where folks with diverse backgrounds come together to discuss audio and other stuff.
     
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    Yeah just because we have a heavy focus on providing measurements doesn't mean it's all we care about. Really, what matters in the end is sound.
     
    takato14, May 21, 2016
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    What was the question again ?
     
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    I suppose you don't meet many unicorns and pink fairies on that path.

    Something to do with Grado. Or whether anybody is actually ever right. But I could be wrong. Groupthink... Thoughttank.... Brainstorm.... AAAaaarrrggghhh!
     
    Thad E Ginathom, May 22, 2016
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    Explains why I had zero interest in the first place. Thanks mate.
     
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  13. Thad E Ginathom

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    Where's "5?"

    There must be a 5. At least. It is one of the Python Rules.
     
    Thad E Ginathom, May 22, 2016
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    For a second I thought this was yet another Pythonic idiom (programming). Seems like forever ago that I watched any Flying Circus.

    I've never tried Grado headphones, all I've mostly read about them has kept me away. Say what you want about Audeze's recent LCD lineup and pricing insanity (I happen to enjoy my LCD-X), but at least they're turning out some new products rather than just playing with wood. Doesn't seem to be the case with Grado.

    I'd hate to be part of a community that can't criticize manufacturers or vendors, regardless of my biases or personal experiences. Just sayin'.
     
    rott, May 22, 2016
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    Yeah, we had some wacko doing a big cable comparison not too long ago. Sheesh! o_O


    With all the Asians around here it'd be best to avoid 4 as well. Bad mojo and all that.
     
    Armaegis, May 22, 2016
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  16. Thad E Ginathom

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    Ha ha... I noticed that accidental subtle twist as I typed it.

    I should develop that kind of thinking, but hey, I'm far too lazy to be an evil genius

    :bird:

    .
     
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  17. Serious

    Serious Inquisitive Frequency Response Plot

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    I like to think of it as in: Measurements help us to better understand the sound.
    This reminds me of when I did some mods to my HD800 but the changes that I heard were far bigger than what the measurements on my coupler showed. This is why I started doing in-ear measurements. Those measurements then better reflected what I heard (but may not reflect what others hear).

    Measurements are never absolute and never completely objective either.
     
    Serious, May 22, 2016
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    Deep Funk Deep thoughts - Friend

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    Takato is better than that killer rabbit of a person. He is the vintage headphone enthusiast who only needs a one-liner to say: "check out this ..."

    @takato14 You are stronger than "Holy Hand Grenades of Antioch." Your fictional being was not recorded as being "blown to bits." For some context and derailment...

     
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    Well...

    At least I now know why there should not have been a five.
     
    Thad E Ginathom, May 23, 2016
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    Deep Funk Deep thoughts - Friend

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    "Five is right out!" You do not want to snuff it because you cannot count. Ask Count Count about counting though...



    P.S. I am in a good mood. I shall limit my love for silliness though, the day only has 24 hours.
     
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