Turntable advice

Discussion in 'Vinyl Nutjob World: Turntable and Related Gear' started by Falcor, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. JayC

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    That is cool, and while I get that it seems to do a good job of getting rid of clicks and pops I wonder how the removal works. There's probably some latency involved (not a big deal) and A-D-A conversion which negates the point of having a decent/good all analog chain, doesnt it?
     
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    Michael Fremer is the guy doing the interview and he is Stereophile/Analog Planet's vinyl guy and he seems to be very pleased with it. They are offering a model where you can hook up your own phono stage. There is A/D/A but Fremer considers it very transparent.
     
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    Fozgometer... Anything but positive experiences here (after self-calibration, which I see is needed) ?

    Thanks.
     
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    Plus, an average of almost $350.00 per donor. "I was just going to wad up these hundred dollar bills and toss them in the trash, but I'll give them to some goofball Kickstarter project instead!"
     
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    Yes the click removal involves ADDA conversion. I originally thought that they might have inlined an instance of Click Repair but I now think they might have actually rolled thier own which is very impressive.

    From personal experience ADDA when done in realtime on a good inplementation can be close to transparent. Never entirely of course but good enough for very high levels of listening satisfaction. I listen to the analog outs on my TASCAM DA3000 (fed to Ragnarok) while doing needledrops to DSD128 and it's definitely very high quality. In fact I'm almost ashamed to say that since I do so many transfers I spend more time listening to the ADDA chain then with the phono straight to Ragnarok.
     
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    About cartridge alignment and protractors. I recently got a uturn orbit and wanted to check the cart alignment so I download uturn's recommended protractor(Stevenson) from the web. My question is where do you position the the protractor? The cart seemed aligned with both cross hairs but I had to rotate the protractor some to get it to center on both. Is this how it is done?
     
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    Yeah sounds like you're doing it right, you do have to swivel the protector. Here's a good write up and animation by Fremer which really helped me when I was getting started

    http://www.analogplanet.com/content...grid-type-alignment-gauge#1FmLMbreG5PBs15W.97
     
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    Okay, I’m in need of help with an issue in my turntable setup. I’m very new into turntable land, so this is a learning experience for me as I go along. My preferred setup is as follows:

    U-Turn Orbit/ Ortofon 2M Blue > RSA F-117> Sagaheim > Modded HD800

    With this setup, I get an electric buzzing that’s audible when playing music at modest volumes. I have the Saga and Jot plugged into a Tripp-Lite IsoBar. Nothing else is plugged into the IsoBar. I acquired the IsoBar because I could hear a low hum on the Saga when my Modi Multibit was plugged in. If I swap the Saga over to my Modi Multibit as a source, the chain is quiet. I still get the buzzing noise if I sub the Sagaheim for a Laconic NBM or Valhalla 2.

    However, I can get the buzzing noise to go away completely with the following chain, even with Sagaheim still plugged in and on:

    U-Turn Orbit/ Ortofon 2M Blue > RSA F-117> Fostex HP-P1 > JH13

    This actually sounds surprisingly good and there is absolutely zero electronic buzzing.

    I hope I haven’t lost whomever has read this, but I am certainly looking for advice where to go next.
     
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    Have you tried your preferred chain without the Saga, with Jotunheim as the only amplifier? Does the noise go away? I know that's going to sound nasty with a HD800 but it is just to eliminate possibilities. I think it could be something to do with tube amplification. Although, you say using Modi Multibit as a source cures the problem, curious.

    I am currently experiencing a similar problem with my Valhalla 2.
     
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    When it buzzes, do either the Saga or the Jot volume controls alter the volume of the buzz? How about Saga volume fairly low, Jot volume cranked up and the other way around? Have you removed the Saga and tried RSA -> Jot?
     
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    The buzzing is there when it's just the Jot, too. The buzzing changes levels with volume. My intuition is pointing to a utility power issue, since it's there with any non-battery powered amp, but I'm not sure yet.
     
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    This doesn't sound like a ground loop descriptively, but does the RSA have a ground lift option you could try? Or could you try a 3 to 2 prong adapter on the Jot power cord? This would be just to see what happens.

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    I played around with some stuff tonight. I gave the two prong adapter a shot and it did not change the buzzing. If I have the RSA plugged into the Jot and unplug the Jot, the buzz goes away for like the half second that the Jot still puts out noise while unplugged. If I put both of my hands around the tonearm, >90% of the buzz will go away.

    The RSA does not have a ground lift option, but it is 100% battery operated and will not turn on when plugged into the charger. (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you here.)
     
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    @Vansen what interconnects do you have between the Orbit/F-117 and F-117/Saga etc? I had a similar issue with a ground-loop hum and Jot. I could get it to go away by holding the tonearm. I purchased Blue Jeans LC-1 (sold on Amazon) and replaced the stock cables that came with my Pro-Ject table and that fixed the hum. Good luck.
     
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    I went through a couple iterations of cables to reduce it. Blue Jeans LC-1 got it down quite a bit from the Schiit cables I put on it on day one, but still have too much noise. I borrowed some Audioquest cables from a friend and think I have it to an acceptable level with Audioquest Sydney from the table to the phonostage and Audioquest Evergreen on the Saga and Jot. It would be nice to get it lower, but after playing with these today, I can live with it.
     
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    RF interference me thinks.... Do you have any Wifi routers or other tumor inducing gadgetry near by?

    My tube phono stage doesn't want to be anywhere near my TP-Link router. (Different but similar symptoms, that I can influence by hand-shielding the tubes when it occurs).
     
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    The wifi interference I get through phono stages (both tube and solid state) sounds like helicopters when you turn (way up) it up.

    Had to keep my router (airport extreme) at least 6 feet away but I eventually moved it to another room entirely.
     
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    While it wasn't my phono stage, my WA5-LE with the original RCA 6S7NGTB (un-silvered) tubes made the same "helicopter" sound when it was close to my Time Capsule (basically an Airport Extreme with a hard-drive in it for the non-Apple-aware). Switching to NOS Sylvania 6SN7GT tubes fixed it. So did moving the Time Capsule. Ultimately I did both.
     
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    Yep!!! The dreaded helicopter sound. There are different sources of RF noise that produce different sounds too.... I've currently got about 5' separation and I can still make it helicopter on me depending where I place the phono stage on my rack.
     
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    @Vansen not to sound like a broken record but every time I've had a hum, very low almost in audible static, Radio broadcasts, and any other type of interference; it's been a grounding issue for me. If you haven't already gone this far yet, take 20 minutes with some aluminum foil (since it's cheap and easily manipulated and removable) and just start grounding everything. It won't hurt to be over grounded. Not unless you're happy with your current results... if so, happy listening!

    Edit: Replace aluminum foil with proper wire if this works.
     
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