What It Really Means To Be Real, i.e. What Gear Do We Actually Use

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  1. Riotvan

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    I bought a new HE-500 with rust and a shitty paint job. Comfort was ass. Suffered for a while before moving it on, sound was alright but i felt betrayed. I still read way too many complaints about their QC as well.
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    Whatever happened with HFM at TheSourveAV hurt HFM I assume a little in Los Angeles. Losing HFM demo units in their amazing headphone showroom really sucked.
     
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    You want to know what I think would be awesome with the Susvara? Dual mono Tyrs. I recommended this to @zerodeefex for his RAALs.

    Susvara amped suboptimally either has this "bouncy bounce" nature at best or sound soft poo at worst. We need something like a bitchy dominatrix to grab those balls tightly. Susvara, also being in the nano-diaphragm school of planars, not too different from stats, can be kind of limp-dick in heft. Tyr is a fricking monster with respect to grip and heft. The one peculiarity with the Tyr is its laid back and rich almost tubes-like presentation in the mids and highs. The Tyr sounds almost too refined. This actually serves the Susvara well. Usually an amp that can grip the Susvara in the lows will result in highs that are strained, steely, splashy, high-strung. Sure the diaphragm is thin, but I suspect I'm hearing a little of the metal traces deposited on the diaphragm. The Tyr manages to have just the right about refinement without going overly thick or phat, impacting in clarity in the mids.

    I had one heck of a time finding the right combination (tradeoffs) of all these factors and could never quite find it when I had the Susvara. The Stellaris and Moth 2A3 are tonally, harmonic, transiently suited for the Susvara, but SET bass won't cut it. SE output transformers by design are just going to be distorted no matter what. If you asked me back then a few years ago, I would have suggested the darTZeel NHB-108. This is an amp I've recommended for others where people have gotten many years (an eternity in Hi-Fi considering how we quickly we change gear) of use before moving on. I still think the NHB-108 ticks all the boxes, but the Tyr is just better in gripping the lows, a better synergetic match tonally, and a little bit more resolving of fine details. Another possibility would be some of of those Sumo Class A amps back in the day or similar. Yet another one could be something like like Fisher KX-200 Integrated here which is a push pull design. Today's PP knockoffs don't seem to have the same transformer quality of yesteryear: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...-kx-200-integrated-blast-from-the-past.10980/ The Pass XA25 could work too, but the lowered mids can be muffled (better match with RAAL than Susvara.) There are several other True-HiFi™ amps, but the I don't think they quite have the synergy as the ones I've mentioned.

    P.S.

    I had early access to the Tyr and designed some old school three way boomboxes (15" woofer) for crank them up. That setup cranked up so fricking ear bleeding loud so CLEANLY. It was glorious. The fellow from Computer Audiophile hated those speakers. He wasn't my target though (I like to try different designs). However, I smiled when someone in their late twenties / early thirties cranked up Tool on it to deafening levels. I think I measured constant 105db SPL with the old Rat Shack meter at the listening position and quite frightening. I wish I was able to snap a photo with the listener with this chair pulled up in the middle of the room.
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    Anyway, I got sidetracked. When I heard the Tyr, I knew it would work with the RAALs. Called up @zerodeefex immediately even though this was such a stupid crazy ridiculous idea - but it didn't cost $30k or whatever the DarTZeels go for now. He pulled the trigger. How far off the deep end do you want to go?

    Seriously, for Susvara, take that low power SET amp (and they are all low power) or whatever class A desktop "high powered" amps, and throw them into the garbage. Go without compromise and use big monster monoblocks that weigh 70 lbs each with heatsinks that will cut into your hands if you lift them the wrong way.

    This is why I don't like to talk True-Hi-Fi™.
     
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    So you're saying the Susvara needs...
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    How don't we know Tom the learneded DSP engineer goes geek mode, studies every datasheet in existence, goes apeshit on ASR SINAD charts, goes Topping only to be disappointed, then goes into rubidium clocks after too much DIYA bullshit, goes full tilt on the Dunning-Kruger meter, and is the one who wastes 10000+ hours of his life to f**k up his family time?

    And Joe the Plumber, the simpleton with a truck, is the guy who knows that he doesn't know much, actually gets solid SBAF advice, goes to a meet, and decides to get an Yggdrasil GS and Starlett to live happily ever after with 20 hours spent?**

    Leader of youth gang does smash and grab Mission Impossible at Audeze warehouse and makes $100,000 on the black market. Spent 10 hours studying floor plans and video surveillance system. 2 hours on the heist.*

    *Inspired by real life events.
    **Based on a real dude, sensible like a plumber, but not actually plumber. Nevertheless Asian fail because did not make it to Stanford, Harvard, or Princeton. You get the idea.
     
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    I, too, "boycotted" HFM, but after HE-400S. Holy shit that was garbage. Hearing all this shitty low-cost spy nonsense further reinforces my suspicion that all of their gear is 90% a ripoff. I'd like to be proven wrong by a $400 HFM planar that sounds great plugged into damn near anything, and scales appropriately.

    I'd just like to add, generally, that the more a piece of gear is dependent on highly specific ancillary gear and concomitantly exorbitant prices, the further one may find one's self to settling. In other words, Sus, or RAAL, plus the one-and-only-holy-amp, and nothing else even comes close is really missing the forest for the trees, IMHO. I tend towards the Alton Brown anti uni-tasker heuristic.
     
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    Note should have also said: does not include potential on the spectrum activities or exploded Christmas Tree tube amps in addition to does not correlate to ability to hear things and enjoy music.

    On the flip side, some starving family in a 3rd world country probably thinks we are all dumb for buying audio equipment that probably costs them more than they collectively make in a year. Doesn't stop any of us from doing it.
     
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    zerodeefex SBAF's Imelda Marcos

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    As Marv alluded: the Tyr is the best solid state headphone amp I’ve used for the RAALs and the Code-X (the latter needs EQ).
     
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    Give me $50M+ and I would probably quit everything and do it. First stop would a Florida adventure with you as my tour guide. 50% chance the trip would end in Cuba or the Bahamas with no recollection of how we got there.

    Anyways, back to the topic at hand - I've lost the urge to upgrade my DACs lately. I'm sure I'll still want to do it eventually, but I've had a lot of fun just trying to find new music lately... all for the cost of a subscription instead of the cost of a DAC.

    Also agree with sentiment on past few pages that more $$ is not more better-er. Have heard systems that weren't properly setup (not their fault though - show settings) with probably $500k+ of equipment that included tape reels, mega isolation transformers, on and on or individual SS amps that were $100k+ several years ago that I lost interest in in less than 5 minutes.
     
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    Also, f**k pricey shit, just give me booze and cigars. That’s my good life while I almost lost 25 pounds.
     
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    In the search for clarity and not causing further confusion- the above is key to ensure that readers don't "take this the wrong way."

    @purr1n I am not suggesting you are confusing the situation, yet to be clear:
    Elsewhere it's been recently posted that "moar power" is not solely the magic sauce to make Susvara shine.
    instead it's *amp synergy* being the key to pairing with Susvara.

    Yet here the recommendation is to have 110lbs of metal in dual-mono block configs said to be a "great paring to grip Susvara balls", and odds are high this is interpreted as "2 mono speaker amps ARE moar power" so WTF?
    IMO- there is a need to explain *what* the amp characteristics ARE - that create the synergy and ball-gripping effect.
    if it's NOT the POWAH of 2 x Tyr that create ball gripping with Susvara, what is it? topology or mono config or ?
    or just it's audible signature / traits? as you have mentioned in the sonic-signature of Tyr.

    I owned the Susvara for awhile (now a Friend has it), and was as good-as-I-could-get-it with an Oor.
    did it punch enough, or have enough bass when I wished for it? not really.
    was that the Oor fault? maybe - if the 2xTyr could deliver it, I can not compare.

    I tried the whole speaker amp rig for HE500 back in the day, and decided not to go back for ergonomic reasons.
    but for those that search this TOTL pairing, if it's not the power of speaker amp recommendations that create awesome sauce with Susvara, is it an amp's "strengths" that are equally as apparent with 2ch speakers as it would be with Susv headphones?
    Inquiring minds, and all that.
     
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    As an observer of SBAF since a few years ago, I do think a lot of valid points were made by @wbass and @purr1n .

    The Susvara can be had for significantly cheaper money these days off the second hand market and barriers to entry are less. That being said, I did read @purr1n 's review of the Susvara way back when it was making noise for $6k usd. Heck, it was that review that made me buy one out of curiosity. A lot of what was said and has been said about it still rings true today. SBAF's taste, at least from my POV, just doesn't lean towards the ethereal sound of modern HFM. I've noticed e-stats haven't gotten the love here, and by extension, current HFM which follows that sound doesn't get a lot of fans here too.

    @wbass is right in that there could be more content for Summit-Fi headphones here, but at the same time, I feel like the community here, as compared to Head-Fi, already knows the sound that they are looking for. That's not to say everyone is into using HD600s, JAR800s or ZMFs. Each member has their own taste. It's just that most people here seem to be contented by the systems already, and thus, are more skeptical of the next best thing (or the next new toy). I feel that while this really highlights truly exceptional gear, it also overshadows a lot of other gear that could be tried, tested and measured here. For example, I really love the EC SJR and will always be grateful for SBAF for the knowledge and information about amps like these. However, a lot of people don't have access to small boutique manufacturers (especially here in the Philippines) and thus, we're normally forced to get what's available here (Violectric, Chord, Ferrum, etc).

    I'm guilty of not being able to share impressions of Summit-Fi gear as much as anyone, but I have nervosa myself that sharing info would step on people's toes, and thus, mostly either keep to myself or share a few words, but not too much.
     
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    The charm of Mid-Fi is all the products are characters. They each have a thing that's charming and flaws that annoy. When you learn to like the flaws is when you can be content and it's probably best some things are out of reach. You have the luck (or curse) to afford a search for perfection then you'll always be DiCaprio jumping to the next hot thing. You don't settle, you're just lingering until something else catches your fancy.
     
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    I think you mention some very wise points here as I've been using Susvara as my main headphone for a couple of years here. I had to sell my pair because of financial difficulties during COVID but things have gotten better and I was able to buy them again a couple months ago.

    I still think that Susvara is the most well balanced flagship with not much weaknesses other than that "ethereal" property and they're also very highly resolving, I think #1 or #2 probably. I think @purr1n mentioned good point that they arrived in the market too early but just like good legendary headphones like Focal Utopia OG, Senn HD800 and STAX SR-007 they stand the test of time well.

    Susvara is definitely in a way easier to maximize their potential because amps like Ferrum OOR or Holo Bliss match with them very well and they can be bought without too long waiting time and are reasonably priced.

    Not too long ago I finally properly hear an Eddie Current Balancing Act for the first time and the sound is quite haunting with Caldera and Utopia but thinking twice I wonder if hunting it down is worth the effort.
     
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