Passive Schiit shootout: Saga vs. Freya vs. SYS

Discussion in 'Preamps' started by rlow, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. Argopo

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    Yes. Passive for a long time now.

    Sources:
    Marantz SACD player (Single-Ended out to Freya, or SPDIF out to Yggdrasil)
    T+A Dac8 DSD (Balanced out to Freya)
    Yggdrasil (Balanced out to Freya)

    Amplifiers:
    DIY M3 Balanced Headphone Amp (Balanced in from Freya)
    DIY Single-Ended Tube Amplifier (2A3 or 300B) (Single-Ended in from Freya)

    Speakers:
    Klipsch Heresy IIIs

    Headphones:
    HD800
    LCD-X
    HD600
    HD650
    AKG501

    With my speakers in my listening space (treated with GIK acoustic panels) I get a spacious soundstage that goes around the speakers, nice extension hi/low, detail, good imaging.

    It doesn't sound dark, soft or congested.

    Soundstage depth is problematic in my space because the speakers are only about 1-2ft from the front wall, and I have a television setup in between. Front wall to back wall is only 12ft. So, I can't blame the Freya for that.

    Also, changing output tubes in my tube amplifier does make a noticeable difference in presentation.

    But, I'm willing to try the SYS in my setup.
     
  2. Kernel Kurtz

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    I don't think anyone here is looking for a gain stage. That would seem to be contrary to the whole idea of a very simple passive as possible device. Balanced connections should have enough gain for most purposes I would think. If you need SE and gain that kind of defeats the purpose IMHO. As others have said, something to put between my balanced DAC and my Vidar(s) and be absolutely as transparent as possible.

    The remote adds complexity no doubt. I could live without it, but I expect most people would want it. I'm sure the added price would hardly be a deal breaker for anyone looking for something like this.

    And one set of XLRs in and out should be fine for most people. Can switch digital sources on the DAC anyway. How many balanced sources does the typical person feed their amp(s) (I'm actually curious to know)?
     
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  3. rlow

    rlow A happy woofer

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    Cool will be interested in what you think of it in comparison to Freya. You’re running a low-powered SET(?) tube amp into some high efficiency, horn loaded, floor sitting (I assume) speakers - pretty much the opposite of what I’m running after my preamps. I do have a couple of other pairs of speakers that I will have to test out with the setup - but I assume I will hear similar results since they’re still all going through Vidar, and they’re both still relatively low efficiency monitors like the Grahams (although the Grahams have a huge soundstage and image way better than the other two).
     
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    A gain stage doesn't necessarily mean an 'active' stage.
     
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  5. winders

    winders Compensating for micropenis

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    My understanding is an active preamp allows you to amplify line level voltages above unity gain. Based on that, how can you have a gain in a preamp without it being active?
     
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  6. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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