Soranik IEMs Impressions and Discussion 2

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  1. tranhieu

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    For a moment I did not realize any of those graphs. The treble was really pushed upward quite a fair bit!

    If you need anything feel free to DM me :)

    True, the ARA's snap and bite is really something of its own league. First time I've heard something that 'raw' sounding on an IEM, especially its bass.
     
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    I received the Bastilles on Monday. Versailles to follow. I had to travel for work Monday night — enjoyed trading between them, but no serious assessment until tonight. I’m home now, comparing the Bros, as well as my IT07 and Volt, from my Hugo 2 driven by Cowon Plenue 2 Mk II via optical. Using the cables which came with the Soraniks as I don’t have two equally good alternates (and I didn’t want to cable-swap someone else’s IEMs anyway). Two sets plugged into H2 simultaneously — makes for easy A/B. The two Soraniks seem close to equal efficiency. They need a bit more volume from the H2 compared to the other two, which are close to each other.

    Battling Bros
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    At first I wrote:

    ‘So far I have preferred the Signature over the Audiophile for most of the tracks on my ‘Favorites’ playlist’.

    But after listening to more tracks I think I will find the Audiophile’s subdued sub-bass disqualifying.

    ‘Calling’ from Bliss — first 2 minutes are instrumental and there’s some very low-pitched percussion and strings @ 90 seconds in. Pretty much missing from Audiophile but much more present from Signature. Also, the guitar (from track start) is very sweet from Audiophile, but there’s more ‘wooden guitar body’ from Signature.

    Headstage is somewhat narrow and front-to-back from Audiophile; wider, not as deep but more ‘natural-sounding’ from Signature.

    Signature, IT07, Volt
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    After listening to ‘Calling’ on the Bros, I replaced Audiophile with IT07 to see how its sub-bass compared vs Signature. On that track, the lows were quite similar.

    So, once started down that road, I got serious about comparing Signature, IT07 & Volt.

    And the tl;dr is:

    3 very good IEMs with similar tunings, each of which could easily be my ‘favorite’ — depending on the track.

    While the presentations are close overall, they are different enough that each has its strengths:
    • Signature brings the music forward, especially female vocals, and somehow manages to make certain passages ‘extra-sweet’ if that makes sense. And on some other tracks it presents a wonderful headstage — not sure what turns this on and off.
    • IT07 has the most extended sub-bass and lots of treble energy — thus on some tracks vocals can seem a bit ‘back’
    • Volt has a somewhat relaxed warmer tone compared to the other two, which can be a relief on some tracks when the others get ‘demanding’
    I could come up with ‘track notes’ (as in ‘Calling’ above) such as: On ‘Waiting in Vain’, Annie Lennox’s voice is thinner/brighter from Signature and has more warmth from the other two. Or: Percussion which kicks in about 30 seconds into ‘Children of the Sun’ by Dead Can Dance is most impactful from IT07. Or ...

    But that would distort my basic assessment that these 3 IEMs all present the music I enjoy really well with small differences. To my ears, any appearance of judging them ‘better or worse’ can only be the product of personal preference or nit-picking.

    And the real proof of that is that, as I write this, I’ve been randomly switching between the three and frequently feel the need to look at the cable to figure out which one I’ve got in at the time. All three are very fine listens.
    During my 4+ hours of travel time I listened to the Bros and IT07 directly out of the Cowon. I also listened intermittently from the Cowon tonight. Nothing I heard affected my conclusions based on H2 listening.
     
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  3. rhythmdevils

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    Something I realized a while ago that I've been meaning to post here for some time.

    I listened to all of these iems without knowing what was inside them - BA, dynamic, Hybrid, etc. I heard what I called "BA timbre" in all of them. I heard this same exact timbre issue in all of the iems Soranik sent. But it turns out some of the models had no BA drivers in them. Yet they had this same timbre.

    So, this means this issue was not BA related. I'm posting this in part for Soranik in hopes they can figure out what is causing it. Because their iems are some of the most well tuned on the market and the Bastille has the best soundstage in any iem on the market AFAIK.

    I don't know what could cause a timbre issue in all of their iems. Could it be the plastic housing? The cable? The housing the drivers are in?

    The CA Soalris has much much much superior tonality, they sound very lifelike. Going to the Soraniks from the Solaris they sound like toys because of this pervasive plastic-y-ness. Cymbals on the Solaris sound metallic, cymbals on all the Soranik iems sound like plastic. But they have so much potential.

    I'm hoping Soranik can figure this out, because it's the only thing holding these back from being some of the best iems out there.
     
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    I've heard bad timbre BA's (on other non-Soriank IEM's) and I only heard just a touch with the Ion 4. The Ion 2 ans 2S very very smooth. I just found the mids a little too much recessed with that big dip at 5K.

    Just trying to point out that the plastic-y timbre was nost as much issue on the 2 and 2S @Panohm. You have something at add?
     
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  5. tranhieu

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    Thanks for the advice, if possible I would like to try the tracks you guys used to test that such 'BA timbre' is most audible. Some of us have different opinion/definition when it comes to sound description so hearing it in person is the fastest way.

    In any case, I reckon it's the upper mids - lower treble region that comes across as 'BA timbre'.
     
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    I’m not sure that would work be very useful, I hear it in all music. It’s a plastic-y timbre. I think listening to cymbals is the easiest way to hear it but it’s there throughout the spectrum.

    The frequency response of your Bastille iems is one of the best of all iems so I hope you can figure it out. I’m rooting for you guys.
     
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    I think it is possible that our ears can tell when the reverberations of a material don't align with how we've heard that sound before.

    For instance - you know the sound of insects will never carry "weight" so it's always a light sound. Micro drivers lack force and sound light and fast. Like a F1 car.

    If they have a really well tuned DD that sounds light, it is possibly just a tiny driver or has "un-natural" attack/decay properties.

    I've never gotten along with Electostats and certain Planars because they move air in a way that I've never naturally experienced my music.... Unless it was a very very certain type of music that has no fundamental bass.
     
  8. tranhieu

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    Technically most EST IEMs these days are not true Electrostatic at all. The EST drivers only add some fuzziness to the top end, whereas 98% what you hear is either BA or DD or both.

    If it sounds unnatural it’s the BA/DD setup that sounds so, not the EST.
     
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    I have only heard the EST in the Noble Sultan and it sucked, but I understand the technical differences. I was referring to Stax, Sennheiser, Dan Clark, Sonoma.
     
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  10. tranhieu

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    Headphones wise it’s a whole different story, but yeah some models sound really off if you are not used to their signature. In most cases the diaphragm is not moving large enough air volume as compared to dynamic drivers.
     
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