When Audio Reviews Face Legal Threats: dCS vs. GoldenOne

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  1. SofaSamuraiX

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    I certainly hope that is the case!
     
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    Thought the guy came out and apologized and that should be the end of it. Can’t believe this saga is still ongoing, all the while I been enjoying my beloved DSC dac.

    cheers
     
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    Which one? Bartok is the right answer
     
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    You missed out, it was good drama. I thought it was going to be two seasons with 12 episodes but they fit the whole thing into a single movie with a satisfying ending.

    And technically it's a dac, masterclock and headphone amplifier.
     
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    To be fair I still can’t quite believe a dac at this price point still requires an external master clock to sound its best…
     
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    Haven't heard it. dCS website claims it reduces jitter and improves USB sound quality, and I can believe that, but the price is a bit harder.
     
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    Except an entry level holo cyan 2 dac at 1/10 of the price is measured to be pretty much immune to any usb noise and jitter. Some of the measurements done by atomicbob on its AES and coax output were also excellent
     
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    For some customers price is a feature.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Or Modi with Unison at 1/10 the price of that: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...3e-review-and-measurements.12091/#post-377270

    Not shilling for Schiit here, but telling it as it is: the jitter problem has been solved - for a while.

    It doesn't take external clocks. It doesn't require exotic elements like Californium or Rubidium. It doesn't require boutique regulators. Heck, look at low end Topping and SMSL. They've conquered jitter too.

    External clocks are meant to be in a studio environment where there are multiple digital converters that absolutely need to be sync'd. ORFAS audiophile brands simply took up external clocks to be a money grab feature add, taking advantage of ORFAS FOMO insecurities, massive stash of cash*, and inability to realize that desire is endless. Is is better? It probably will be if you spent a lot of extra money on it. External clocks sound different, not necessarily better. IME, half the time, they sound worse than the internal DAC clock.**

    * What? 70% of the wealth of the USA is owned by people ages 55 and over. That used to be 50% not too long ago.
    ** Well except in cases where the clock and DAC are supposed to come in a pair. That is the DAC by itself is gimped as to require the external clock.
     
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    One observation I made when I worked at a luxury pen boutique was when you sold a writing implement to men that cost $500 dollars when the practical item that did the same thing cost $1, was that you needed a story of why that higher price tag was justified by some functional reason.

    When women shopped, it seemed it was sufficient that they liked the item and liked you, but the guys seemed to feel funny about doing things that way. As such we had elaborate routines to explain to guys how the $500 pen wrote better. Whether it was ink refills, the ergonomics, the robustness of the materials leading to longevity while the nib also formed to the writing style of the user...whatever. Reasons other than it looks nice and it strokes your ego.

    And when you look at the dCS Lina system, you imagine a scenario where dude who paid $30k for this has it in his office or home, and a male friend comes by and immediately sees this giant black stack and goes "Why are there three boxes?" And the guy who owns it goes "Well one is the amp, one is the digital converter, and the other is the clock, for timing the signal." And the other guy goes "oh I see."
     
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    ...and then rolls his eyes.
     
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    Oh no you have context for fountain pen weirdness, that'd explain a lot.

    Yeah no back when I was more obsessive about those I didn't give a rat's buttcheek about features, mainly just whether the thing was pretty and well made (well to be fair I do recall reading about how Nakaya used a proprietary tipping composite that was supposed to last a really long time which did mollify me after seeing the cost of a base model... which I did not get).

    Is Montblanc resin any different from what the like of Sailor et al use except for the fact that it glows red under intense light? Never could get a straight answer around that.
     
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    Those buyers didn't really care about the features either. It's all cognitive dissonance. Borat understood high end luxury: "I have, my neighbor cannot afford, great success"

    This was also 20 years ago and I was dealing mostly with rich boomer men also probably part of ORFAS that would never publicly admit they bought something because it was pretty. Hence all the pretense of it having enhanced functionality. Maybe now the game is different.

    As what's in the semi-translucent red resin, no idea, and they didn't reveal the recipe for KOOL's to me either.
     
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    I am completely surprised that I shop for fountain pens like a woman. :D

    (For those that know me better, this is not a surprise).

    I do like how good fountain pens feel when writing way better than other options but you can achieve this on the "affordable" (sub $200) end of the scale. I also like how they look, feel in my hand, etc. Same goes for flexible point calligraphy, you can focus on expensive pens made over 80-100 years ago or get some cheap steel flex dip nibs that do the job just as well. I have both ends of the spectrum because I'm smart? :eek:
     
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    The thread title actually reminds me of this great track, that I use sometimes to test bass response in my system...

    Listening "Shame Shame" track from "Medicine At Midnight" by "Foo Fighters" on JPLAY app.
     
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    Companies that use under handed practices are rampant and can even thrive.. I thought these where relatively small companies.

    They use platforms like FB to spread their marketing and then abuse other businesses.

    I call these blatant cheat and steal companies "legal trash!" Literally soulless entities with seemingly normal people working there.


    Sue reviewer for negative review is next level. Like.. give us 8.0 or we sue.
     
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    A funny thing is that Topping just did a same thing in China just like Dcs, suing someone saying their products are bad with data. And in China Topping is well known as Dcs Junior.:poop:
     
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    Dude, yeah, when you actually measure 328 dB SINAD and 921V at 1 kHz how could it possibly be bad?! It has an integrated PSU too
     
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    Do you have a link to this? I'd love to read the takedown of Topping that got them this mad.
     
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