WTB: ECP Ravenswood DSHA-3f

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  1. Inoculator

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    I realize this is a long shot, but I would really like to get my hands on this amp, so figured I would put feelers out and see if anyone is looking to part with one.

    PayPal or open to trading my Purpleheart Verite with a variety of pads, norne balanced cable, etc. (I have an Auteur on the way which I am looking to pair with this amp).
     
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    Auteur + 3F is an amazing combo, i hope you get to hear one soon!
     
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    That is what I am thinking! Deciding between 3F and Pendant for the Auteur. Hoping to compare Auteur and Verite on whatever amp I land on unless someone wants to trade for the Verite.
     
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    I forgot to note, I am looking for the amp with silver chassis. Less picky about the wood. Walnut or wenge preferred though.

    Photos of the Verite in case anyone is interested in trade option. Purpleheart Verite with rose gold grills will come with salire, norne draug 3 xlr terminated cable, 5 sets of pads (universe, suede universe, be2, suede be2, verite), and seahorse case. Verite itself was b-stock just because the cups are slightly different shades (one darker, one lighter). As the wood has aged over the past 5 months the lighter cup has darkened a bit and the difference is much less pronounced.

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    Posting this because the op doesn't seem you've fully made your mind yet.

    Unless you were already and sufficiently disappointed by verite+3f combo, or deeply despaired by verite's presentation per se (both likely), DO NOT sell them prior to getting your hands on 3F. Worth finding other ways to fund. Verite ltd isn't something you can buy back any day immediately.

    That said, while I liked Auteur a lot and enjoyed its pairing with 3f (beautiful tonal synergy), I couldn't find A had enough transient capability keeping up with 3F -- they always left something to be desired to my liking. Once I knew what 3F was capable of, I really didn't want to pair it with anything sub-Beryllium fast.

    If you're going to sell verite and plan to snag utopia, that's a different story. Another very convincing way to utilize 3f.
     
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    Thanks for the advice @Vtory. I agree my prefered approach would be holding onto the Verite so I can try it and the Auteur with the 3F. Ultimately I think the Verite is just not for me, so I ordered an Auteur again after selling mine (I guess I am a cautionary tale about chasing TOTL/endgame).

    I remember the Auteur very fondly but will be interesting to see what I think after 5 months with the Verite. Really hoping to get to compare both and write up my findings. Verite is just too dark for me (recessed vocals issue kill a lot of what I listen to), and I am not a fan of the stage presentation. Things feel like they are in outer space vs the more forward staging of the Auteur really did a good job of putting me in a physical listening space if that makes sense.

    Hoping I have my SW51+ around the time the Auteur comes so I can compare them on that because I think the Liquid Platinum is the weak link currently. May snag a Pendant rather than Ravenswood due to being slightly more affordable and readily available.

    My hunch is I find a reason to want to keep both and just skip chasing a TOTL/endgame amp for now and just enjoy the SW51+. Not to get too off-topic for a For Sale thread, but I am now feeling curious if the VC may solve some of the stage and recessed vocal issues I find with the VO.
     
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    I would keep an eye out for a BHA-1 as well, going to be similar performance to 3F and potentially alot cheaper used. It doesn't have the name value of the DSHA stuff, but it's an underrated performer.
     
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    I had the very good fortune of listening to a BHA-1, a Phonitor X, and a 3F side-by-side on Saturday with a Rossini Player-dCS DAC in the chain - I caveat by saying I only spent a brief time with these amps and so take it with a pinch of salt when I say that I have to respectfully disagree with @ColtMrFire (who I hasten to add knows his onions far better than I do and has my utmost respect and so I do this with a big gulp) that the BHA-1 is similar in performance to the 3F - the step up in spaciousness, bass, dynamics, musicality and just straight-up wow factor holography on the 3F was tangible. If you can push the extra $ and, of course, depending on your tastes and chain, I would suggest the 3F is the way forward.

    Further to what @Vtory says above - I heard the Utopia on the 3F on the same day, and whilst I think the 3F is absolutely stellar, it also at times feels a smidgeon recessed in the mids (this paired with Verite Open), but with the Utopia - holy Moses - it quite simply is the nuts - it's beautifully balanced - for those that listen to classical through to pop and some rock this is a dreamland ticket - absolutely sumptuous. And if you're not enamoured with the Verite (and I think the toss-up between Verite and Utopia on 3F is a matter of taste), then do your best to sample Utopia with 3F.
     
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    How did the Phonitor X compare to the other 2?
     
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    I quite liked it - I actually it preferred it to the BHA-1 - it's warm, forgiving, bassy, but powerful - if that kind of sound is to your tastes (it is for me) then you should check it out.
     
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    Well I never said they are identical in performance, I said they were similar. I think at these levels, you're splitting hairs, so it's easy to exaggerate differences (which is what most of us do in this hobby). My greater point was that the BHA-1 is cheaper, if one is wanting to save some coin and invest in a better headphone or DAC, they are still at an end game level of amp that works with just about any type of headphone and doesn't have the downsides of solid state (like the 3F).
     
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    I appreciate all the advice guys, got me rethinking my approach for this current round of gear cycling/nervosa. I think I am going to pump the breaks on trying to get a 3F for now and spend some time really assessing Verite vs Auteur on gear I have and the SW51+ I have on the way.

    Mods can go ahead and close this thread.
     
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    From people I've bugged about amps, it's been said the SW51+ is like a baby 3F. The bryston used is a sick value I bet if it's close to 3F. I think you should get to know the SW51+ and see what you think. I've had mine since February and it's in rotation with 2 other amps. I use liquid platinum less and less and bounce mainly between SW51+ and Asgard 3.
    Soon I should be able to hear both 3F and Starlett.
     
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    Own both Phonitor XE (same as X but without pre-outs) and 3F nickel. Listen mostly to modern jazz and classical, ZMF Verité open and closed. Yggdrasil A2 or Sonnet Morpheus DAC. 3F nickel is slightly warmer than XE, with deeper staging, maybe longer decays. Detail is comparable between the two. My two favorite combos currently are Morpheus>3F>VC for work, and Yggdrasil>Af>VO to listen to a new album without distractions (and the neighborhood is quiet). 3F edges out the XE with Morpheus, and the Af edges out the XE with Yggdrasil. IOW, XE (and thus X?) is a very good jack of all trades, but not a real master of any. I just took the XE to a different location, I'm enjoying it again without that tough competition.
    PS: Listening to Soekris dac1541>XE>VC now, playing Christian Sands's cover of "Can't Find My Way Home" from his "Be Water" album. This is actually a very nice combo, with the XE's speed and authority sharpening a bit the slightly too polite dac1541.
     
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    having owned 3F, borrowed SW51+
    mainly listened with ZMF Blackwood Auteur and maybe a loaner Verite, if "people" tell you that- you should ignore those people.
    3F clearly more distinct, resolving, defined, wide and clairvoyant.
     
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    Clairvoyance is cool. How does it sound with 650/600 ?
     
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    Really good. I used to pair the hd580 with my 3F
     
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    How's that BHA1 in comparison ? I remember you having one for a while.
     
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    I personally prefer the T4 with the HD660S. With VO, it’s a toss up between T4 and 3F (amorphous).
     
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