Sennheiser HD660S Speculation

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  1. chakku

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    I hope that review sample is on the way to Tyll's front door.
     
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    > Thanks to its lower impedance, it delivers reference-class sound also when connected to hi-res mobile players, thus offering much greater versatility.

    I hope this doesn't affect the scaling capabilities that the 650 has.
     
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    You meant to say Marv and Josh Mo's doors.

    Anyone worried about hd660 at 150 ohms sounding different on otls and other traditional hd650 friendly amps?
     
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    Why not both? The more reviews the better, but I really do appreciate the approach Tyll is taking with his measurement methodology and further experimenting with various compensation curves.
     
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    Yeah, somewhat. The ace in the hole for the hd6x0 has always been it's ability to scale with better amps. I'm wondering if the lowered impedance will effect that ability.
     
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    Unless I’m reading this wrong, this is going to come with a 6.5mm SE cable, a 3.5mm SE adapter, a 4.4mm TRRS balanced cable and a 5-pin balanced adapter. I hate all these different balanced connectors.
     
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    It'd be awesome if superlux sued them for trademark infringement.
     
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    It seems very important for Sennheiser to be able to use their best headphones on mobile devices. This is also why their ‘audiophile’ closed headphones are designed the way they are. Likely why Focal made the Elear/Clear/Utopia lower impedance as well.

    At 150 ohms this rules out the Bottlehead Crack unless you use a 5998 tube. The Schiit Valhalla should be fine though.

    Is the 4.4mm 5-pin the pentaconn jack?
     
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    We'll just buy one. I doubt Sennheiser gives a shit about SBAF despite SBAF arguably being more of a Sennheiser shill site than Schiit shill site. I had hear rumors of Sennheiser guys cringing and howling at the mere mention of Changstar. No idea of the veracity of such tales.

    150 ohms shouldn't be a problem for FR. I would expect the impedance bump in the bass to be the same ratio as the current HD6/800 headphones, therefore the FR should react similarly with existing amps.

    Lower impedance would likely mean less turns of the wire with thicker wire around the voice coil. Let's hope this doesn't translate to lower performance or less plankton. The higher impedance versions of the Beyers always seemed to sound better after all. Damping factor would be cut by half compared to current HD6X0, but not sure how this might translate to grip on the drivers and transient response.
     
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    Just looking over HD660S information at the US site. I strongly doubt the clamp force is as bad as initially reported. Looks to be the same design as existing HD6x0 clamp. The likely explanation that the units we own have been USED for some time. Brand or near new HD6x0s actually have high clamping force. I bet the HD660S at the Rotterdam show wasn't used much and was fairly fresh off the manufacturing line.

    There is a somewhat safe procedure to reduce the clamping force: pull out cups all the way and bend metal bands opposite direction slighty. Best to do this in small doses to gradually get the desired reduced clamping force.
     
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    Their sound. Versus other headphones that do the “airy” thing: the HD800, TakeT H2+, various Stax, and the Float QA in particular.

    To me the K1000 is just too thin and top-heavy with limited bottom end, and it becomes too fatiguing too quickly for me out of all but the warmest of upstream gear. Limited range of applications too: one of those “good for X and Y genres but not Z” ‘phones.

    Not to mention the ergonomics just don’t do it for me.

    Which isn’t to say I don’t appreciate their uniqueness. I even had three different pairs over the years because it’s hard to not have fun with them on certain music. I’m glad they have a cult following, and I sincerely think unorthodox approaches to headphone design are important for this hobby. Plus I think the K1000 looks cool with those red bands.

    IMHO, YMMV, etc. etc.
    Unlike head-if, I give people here the benefit of the doubt and assume they understand that my subjective impressions are simply one person’s opinions.
     
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    Dammit. I'm going to make a helmet with small speakers mounted on them. And then I'm going to get @CEETEE to sell them on Massdrop.
     
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    @Marvey

    Next step you can detach them from your head and place them on a table close to you. You'd better keep the helmet on though.

    On a more serious note: Marv knows this but you can get more bass from a HD650 by installing deeper pads on it. I installed the Brainwavz pads for a while and it essentially made the HD650 a basshead headphone. Little bit much but fun for a while. You can also get the bass a little tighter by doing the dampening mod. Should be interesting to compare a modded HD650 to the HD660S.

    Sennheisers latest mid to high-end offerings have been a mixed bag. HD700.. HD800S... hmm. But they're still one of my favorite headphone companies and I'll definitely give the HD660S a spin at some point.
     
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    Here we go. Photo attached to make things easier.
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    Metal mesh / cloth instead of the two or three compressed foam pieces of HD650 over the back vent. Does anyone know the size of the driver?
     
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    Hmm.. cannot see clearly but it looks like the Arctic cotton material that @gurubhai installed in my HD650. That material improved the treble extension, actually improved extension on both sides.
     
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    Converting their specs, sensitivity comes out to 96dB/mW
     
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    You know, I wouldn’t necessarily mind a 650 successor that topped out with mid tier gear. Most people in this hobby aren’t going to have true TOTL amps and the 650s are notoriously hard to drive well. If I can get 85% of what the 660 can do using a Magni 3, and 100% of what it can do with a Jotunheim, and it otherwise sounds like the 650 tonally, that would probably be all the headphone I need given how much of my listening is 2 channel these days.

    The 650 will still exist for those who want to scale up, and there is such comprehensive info about modding that you can do almost anything you want to them and know what you’re going to get. And there will probably be a lot popping up on the used market when the 660 goes on sale, especially the Massdrop variants.
     
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    Don't forget the matching DAC/amp water wings.

    The perfect HF mobile setup.

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    It's 104db for 1mVrms I believe? Just a tad higher than the current iteration of the HD650.

    Thinking about it, I certainly hope it is not an HD650 with more bass extension, assuming surface area of cone is the same. Don't want it to fight physics or trade off sensitivity.

    What I'd like is better distortion below 200Hz. Even if most of the effect is 80Hz on up, it would be welcome. HD650s weakness is not lack of bass extension for most recordings, it's distortion - the farty lows.
     

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