Discussion in 'Buyer and Seller Feedback (Negative)' started by zerodeefex, Apr 14, 2017.
@AllanMarcus I thought you were buying my bw2 in may? I literally have been holding it for you.
@zerodeefex i still might. How can I compare it to a Mj2 if I don't have one
I'm not holding sale of my amp for over a month on a "might." Way to set wildly crap expectations. I've held the amp for two weeks without posting it for sale and you're asking for another 5 on a maybe. I'll definitely be wary of you as a trader going forward and be telling others to do the same. I've heard similar shit feedback about you from other friends. This is a community. After the shit you pulled on Ron and this, you get a new custom title.
Sorry, but bull shit. I have always bought and sold with the purest intent. I pay same day once a sale is agreed upon. I ship within a day when I sell something and receive payment. I have perfect feedback on eBay and on headfi
If you go back to our private conversation you will see I never agreed to buy it. Hell, you never even gave me a price! Really, all we were doing was discussing a sale, there was no agreement. How could there be with no price? I just re-read the conversation and YOU are the one that said you would "probably" sell it and I asked "I'm in New Mexico, so I won't be in Denver until the meet. Any chance you can hold on to it until then? If not, I will understand". That's it. I than asked other questions and you didn't respond.
I'm still interested in the BW2. I was planning on listening to it at the Denver meet. You weren't even sure if you were going to sell it. I clearly stated that if you wanted to sell it before then, I would understand. I apologize if you read my statement above as agreement to purchase.
Again, nothing has changed. I'm still interested and I hope you come to the Denver meet so I have a chance to audition the BW2. I also hope you reply to my private conversation and at least let me know the price you "probably" might sell it at. I have a home and an office, and I would like a good amp at each location. Most of my listening is at my office, and that is were I would put the BW2. The purchase of the mj2 here in no way diminishes my desire to audition the BW2.
I really like this community. I borrowed one other item to determine if I wanted to buy it, from hands. We were clear I was just borrowing it to decide if it want to buy it, and I chose not to. I returned it two days later and all was well. Every other purchase I've made here I've completed.
I really hope we can chalk this up to a misunderstanding.
I have no idea why you prefer to have this conversation on a public thread rather than a private conversation, but ok.
@Lenroot77 , sorry this is playing out in your thread.
Moved to trader feedback. Actually, my level of caring about the BW2 is low. It's the additionally private feedback from respected members after my initial post that earned you the new title.
@AllanMarcus I know as one of the best members of this community. I personally had a couple of transactions with him and absolutely no complaints, only super positive experience. Other members should step up as well.
How about in the interest of transparency, either of you screen cap and present the PMs with any doxable information blacked out, so we can judge fairly for ourselves here.
1) Allanmarcus fucked with Ron. Don't give two shits what else Allanmarcus has done, Ron has been a consistently awesome dude and given many in the community deals they'd never be able to get. Screwing with him during a trade is tantamount to being a crap trader.
2) this is not a meritocracy. Marv and I have been triply nice over the last few months but I have little tolerance for people being friendly on the forums and screwing with others during trades (in this case Ron). I'm going to call it out when dudes like @brencho and @jexby who have always been forthright and open are telling me to look out for a member due to past dodginess.
3) some of you having positive experiences with him doesn't make him perfect. Some folks have had positive experiences with the Canadian scammer but it doesn't mean he didn't try some dodginess sometimes. Hell, I'm sure I crapped up a finalized transaction somewhere and it should be called out.
I'll scrub my comments and everything but Alex's feedback and what happened to Ron from this feedback thread later.
I think that there should be a system on the forum to make note when there is a negative experience with a buyer/seller/ or a trade. Especially as the community grows I think this is useful. I also think that negative or even remotely negative experiences will be outliers and not at all normative given the awesomeness of this community.
But I also think that it should be up to those with the direct experiences themselves to determine whether to make them public or not, or how to communicate the feedback themselves based on their knowledge about the situation and what happened. Sometimes thigs turn to hit unintentionally. Sometimes patterns emerge over people who are more difficult, persnickety, or immoral. There should be a system to catalogue those for people and allow patterns to be known or to serve as a gentle reminder for people not to be dicks. Or even more, sometimes people's attitudes and persnickety behavior might not even be seen that way by the person behaving that way, so it is also a good educational tool or moral compass haha. i think this should be done with an eye to the future and if anything allow people to make public their own experiences if they choose.
@brencho In short, 'trader feedback', like on HF...
Yeah or, at least a negative trade reputation system. I think in general it's safe to assume things will be good. That's always my assumption on here at sbaf.
wow, must say that title is a little overboard when judging from just reading this thread and Allans defense seems to have some merit.
Not really sure what else bad has happened but it would be good to have a system. Also after a public rebuke like this I am sure Allan will be more careful.
@brencho: promises special grease-down-shiatsus. Doesn't deliver. -1.
This smacks a little of "judge and jury." Which is a dangerous enterprise in itself. My question is if this had happened between Allan and some other "regular" member, would he have gotten the same smack down and Scarlet Letter? Just asking.
Just chiming in on past experiences with Alan, great guy to deal with. Not sure current situation or what the Ron / RMS situation was, but I have found Alan to be honest to a fault. Hell, his user name is his real name. Sounds all like a misunderstanding, hope this gets cleared up one way or another.
The title assignment comes across as petty, and is honestly not what I'd expect from @zerodeefex. I'd rather see an outright ban before public tar and feathering.
He gets a custom title for a few days for screwing over Ron. Boo fucking hoo.
Ron is one of the nicest dudes we have here. When he seriously worries enough to tell me that he hopes neither I nor anyone else has to go through what he went through by trading with the dude, then I'll give the member who caused him such stress a hard time.
Closing thread until I can extract the non feedback posts from here.
It appears I had a misunderstanding with zero on the purchase of a BW2. Unfortunately, he's changed my title and accused me a "fucking with Ron". Let me explain. I purchased a few items Ron had for sale. We agreed on a price, and I sent him money, he sent me the items, all was good. He also has a utopia for sale. I corresponded with him about it. I really had to think it over as they is a rather expensive purchase. we agreed on a price, I paid him, he sent me the headphones.
There was a problem with the headphones, so I asked Ron for the original receipt, he sent it to me. No problem. I contacted the dealer and they said only Ron could request a repair. I worked with Ron to minimize the impact on him. i paid for all the shipping to the dealer. I dealt with all the paperwork, and really tried hard to minimize the impact on Ron. Ron was great and really helped. In the end, the dealer repaired the headphones and all was well. I thought the whole transaction went very smoothly. I have no idea where zero got the idea I "fucked with Ron".
Thanks for listening. I just want to post "my side" of the story.
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