Burl B2 Bomber DAC Review: Holy Sh**, This is Good

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    Pretend all those clock options don't exist. What @Clemmaster said: Use the internal clock.
     
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    So every time you stream a file that has a different sample rate - let's say some album from TIDAL is only available to stream in 24/44.1 while another is available at Max quality so it goes up to 192 - you're turning the sample rate knob manually to match it?
     
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    I meant external. Whatever mode is least fuss and makes it work just like a regular DAC where the clock is embedded in the SPDIF signal from the source.

    EDIT: I think it’s Digital In

    Just buy it and figure it out. No need for excessive min-max theorycrafting beforehand.
     
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    Re-reading this thread, I'm glad for how distoriton surface makes understanding stuff like this much more intuitive by adding frquency scale. Don't suppose revisiting some old favourites from across the years might be on the itinerary?
     
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    AFAIK, Marv doesn’t own a B2 anymore.

    I’m selling mine. If @purr1n can do this very quickly, I can ship mine to him with the BOPA1 and BOPA8 opamps.
     
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    I still need a B2. Give me your best SBAF price on it.
     
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    I need one also just not being impulsive, yikes
     
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    Hi everyone, I need a little advice and it seems you are very competent. My sistem is composed by a wiim ultra, the Burl b2 dac, a pair of Classé ca-m400 and a pair of b&w 802 d2.
    - Could the Burl b2 be connected directly to the power amps? (Enough current?)
    - As far as I understand controlling the volume from the wiim ultra (used as a pure streamer since the Burl is connected as the external dac) will results in sound quality loss, right? Any way to avoid it?
    - would a preamp after the dac mitigate the sound quality loss? So the best way would be to select the source from the wiim ultra but to change volume from the preamp?
     
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    1) In general, you never need to worry about current output on a dac barring some really really odd circumstances.

    2) Typically this isn't something to worry about unless you're attenuating very low

    3) A preamp will attenuate the analog signal, so in theory that will be better BUT then you have all the added shenanigans of putting another component into the signal path, active vs passive, etc which may or may not degrade the "quality" of the signal. Pick your poison.

    Bonus 4) Personally, I'd use the built-in attenuator of the Burl to bring it down to your highest listening level (while the streamer is at max). This will give you the "optimal" digital attenuation range.
     
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    Thanks! really appreciated your help. I will try in this way in September. So (if I understood correctly) I can use the wiim volume control to set the volume and no need for a preamp. I need to take the volume at low level since I live in an apartment.
     
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    Yes. General starting procedure would be:
    - start with both wiim and burl turned down
    - play the loudest recording/song/movie you have
    - bring the wiim up to full, it should still be silent but make sure there's no pops and static or whatever
    - bring the burl slowly until up you hit the loudest that you can comfortably listen, this is now the max setpoint of your system
    - use the wiim to control volume after that
     
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    Wait, there is a volume control on my Burl B2 DAC? I wasn't aware of this. Is it a secret function somewhere?
     
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    A couple of things:
    1. The Burl B2 is a very pro oriented DAC, and thus doesn't have any single-ended RCA phono outputs. It only has balanced outputs. The balanced outputs are very hot (pro voltage levels), however, there is a knob that allows you to set the maximum output level at 5 detents ranging only 10db. This should not be mistaken for a volume control. If your Classe amp starts to clip even at soft volumes, just set the output to a lower level. Note that the sound of the B2 varies somewhat depending on where the output level is switched do with the higher levels sounding warmer and the lower levels cooler.
    2. Using the volume control in the Wiim is theoretically OK. However having volume at anything less than fixed output (max) means it's not "bitperfect". You will be loosing bits because it's digital attenuation. The more you attenuate, the larger the degradation. Some people say you can attenuate maybe 20db from the max before hearing a difference. Others claim that even 0.1db of digital attenuation makes stuff sound like ass.
    3. A larger concern is what happens if there is a power cycle, app update, or bug that resets the volume to max of fixed output. With a hot balanced signal (x2 voltage of single-ended), and a Classe Power amp with massive gain of 30db, the sudden sonic blast could kill all your cats in the room.
    The best approach is to use a preamp. I found that the output of the Burl B2 is so hefty that a passive preamp would do.

    I am a cheap bastard, the JBL Nano Patch does well:
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    You can probably do a search for a balanced volume control with a remote. I'm sure can be had from China for cheap since everything from there post-COVID seems to be on fire sale.
     
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    ^Or, step-down 1:4 Jensen ISO-MAX transformer model PC-2XR ?
     
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    It seems still in 2024 there is no “passive volume control with xlr input/output and remote control” that doesn’t colour the sound or transparent enough. The Chinese models I found it gives me the idea that is better loss some bit using the wiim volume control than adding a crap component in the chain. What do you think about it? Wiim ultra - Burl b2 - Classé ca-m400. I think to mitigate the risk I will start with the maximum attenuation on the B2, and adding a volume limit on the Wiim ultra if necessary.
     
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    Yes, turn down the Burl output as much as possible.

    In my experience with the Burl (and DACs with strong outputs), a cheap passive pot >> more than ~12db to ~16db digital attenuation with respect to transparency. That's my ears. There is a reason why I have the JBL Nano Patch in the photo above.

    If you want to run direct, consider inline XLR attenuator pads. You want the Wiim set a high as possible to not lose bits.
     
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    And then there was Khozmo...
     
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    Or the Luminous Audio AXIOM II Walker Mod… I’m studying both two. Interesting the luminous can have some custom parameter on order.
     
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    Yeah, prebuilt Khozmo's in boxes so you don't have to DIY. Also consider TVCs, that is transformer volume controls. Good ones are da domb.
     

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