JBL Cabaret 4698B Speaker - BWC alert!

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by purr1n, Jan 30, 2019.

  1. haywood

    haywood Almost "Made"

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    It's not audiophile quality but there's no comparison to one of the digital assistant devices plus a streaming service for ease of use by non-audio nerds. I don't think the regular echo dot has digital out but it looks like this thing does (for about 6x the price):

    https://www.amazon.com/Echo-Link-Stream-stereo-system/dp/B0798DVZCY/
     
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    That's the thing that continues to blow my mind about my 18" woofers. Even at like background music volumes there will be these musical moments that have palpable physicality.

    If you haven't experienced it yourself, you've possibly experienced being in a building with not-the-greatest construction, and someone slams a door far enough away that it's not loud at all, but you feel it in the floor of the building. 18" woofers deliver a lot of these kind of barely-heard-but-definitely-felt moments.
     
  3. msommers

    msommers High on Epipens

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    Closest modern equivalent being the JBL SRX835?
     
  4. westermac

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    So true. My $200 L-112's (needed refoam and L-pads cleaned) and $150 B&K ST2140 spank any headphone system I've yet heard. Headphones are good for mobility and shared spaces. Otherwise sell them and buy big (tall ≠ big) speakers.

    Less money spent on audio = more money to spend on things that really matter, like Legos.
     
  5. Taverius

    Taverius Smells like sausages

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    I wish.

    Big speakers need big spaces, and I haven't really heard a small speaker that does it for me like headphones.

    With everything everywhere being concrete, brick, or both, we just don't get the room sizes needed for these big ol boxens.
     
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    Some dudes hp rig costs more than BWC setup and a separate building for these built, combined.
    This is in my 5..7y plans.
     
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  7. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    One Chord DAVE should cover a decent sized room for a year, maybe two if outside of CA and NY. That's a not a big room they are in.
     
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    The problem I have with headphones is I miss the illusion of the musicians in the room like I had when I had the space for Magnepans. I have loved their speakers since my first pair of MGIIs. The HD800S are very good but a headphone IMO can never replace a good two channel setup. After I recover from taxes this year I plan to find some decent powered monitors that will work in my studio apartment. Alas no room for Magnepans any more.
     
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  9. westermac

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    I'm definitely idealizing/oversimplifying things here, as there are often real-life factors at play, like pokey kid fingers (of which I have 30 at home) significant others, space/placement limitations, etc... But with some creativity (and perhaps some tenacity) there are often solutions available. Hell, garages and basements were made for enjoying big speakers.

    I have 3 different setups with varying degrees of compromise, all of which I enjoy and would rather listen to than headphones.

    1. Office (desk setup) - small (11x15ft) space with total freedom of placement/treament, allowing for effective setup of bigger (12in) speakers.

    2. Living room (home theater) - medium space with limited placement options, but carpet and furniture provide sufficient absorption/diffusion. 12in L/R mains blow the socks of previous L/R satellites, sub no longer necessary.

    3. Bedroom (turntable) - small space with literally one placement option (and not a very good one at that). 10in speakers on the hardwood floor, against the wall and too close together. L-pads allow for some dialing in. By far the least ideal setup but every bit as enjoyable as the other two.
     
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  10. Psalmanazar

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    Please speak up about them then. If you do not post about it, it's as if you have never heard it at all for the people interested in it and cannot counter other impressions, which are mostly the exact opposite of yours (Kali are tighter, clearer, sharper, less smoothed over seems to be the consensus) and building hype train. Otherwise people will get interested and will buy them due to them costing very little and word of mouth. Cash-strapped buyers and cheap bastards will not be able to switch to something else if they're bad. I'm waiting for local music stores near me to stock them.

    HD 600 have clearish mids but are too present and forward to the point of making the headphone mid centric and sometimes slightly annoying to listen to. The overpresent and forward mids are mostly clear though. This contrasts to the smoothed over, opaque mids from a small woofer goes too low or too big a woofer going too high regardless of FR. Most old school JBLs I've heard have wonky FR or alternating midrange clarity and glossed overness, which brings out the detail in some stuff while hiding it in others. That's why I asked.
     
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  11. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    LP6 to 305:
    • - Looser bass. Slower and lazier.
    • + But deeper extension
    • + Much more FR trim adustability via dip switches
    • - Softer and less sharp attacks (lows and highs). Un-detailed if there were such a word.
    • - More smoothed over
    • -- Less pin-point imaging - blobs (305 was outstanding).
    • - Slight dip centered around 700Hz and bump around 1.5k (roughly). Confirmed via listening positioning and 1m open space measurements.
    Don't care about hype. It's a decent value based proposition for cash strapped folks. I dislike that woofer. I am using them for my computer, but I would prefer to get the 305 back.
     
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    Damn. Ugh. Thanks. Sounds like they might tick me off more and cost more than LSR 305 for basic monitors for guitar direct input and midi drum kit in my basement. I rejected LSR 305 v2 for that purpose when they were on sale last year as due to their (lack of) quality they would just be for hearing myself play without wearing headphones and YouTube videos.
     
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  13. David De Lucena

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    I just saw @Psalmanazar tag and forgot all the questions about those massive speakers...
     
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