Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. purr1n

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    COVID numbers require context.

    In California, the number of people who have died from SARSv2 is a little under 17,000 as of today 10/17/2020. Of this 17,000, 6855 are in Los Angeles County.

    In 2017, the total number of deaths in California from any cause was 268,000. It will be interesting to run analysis a few years later to see how many additional deaths were actually because of SARSv2 (people could have died from the flu, diabetes, heart-attack, or cancer, anyway).

    This is just me, but I think California can relax a bit by now. Maybe just lock down the city of Los Angeles (because people tend to be mindless in that city) and open up the restaurants and movies (with social distancing) everywhere else in CA. A pandemic is a pandemic. Shit is supposed to happen in life. People are supposed to die from shit they never expected. Good public policy never looks at the individual, but at the whole.

    One can make the heart wrenching case about the loving father, mother, grandmother who died. One can also argue about the thousands and thousands of people who lost their businesses, jobs, homes, cars, savings, etc.*

    This is the human condition. We aren't Star Trek United Federation of Planets yet even though we want to be. We're much closer to the ancient Greeks than we think.

    P.S.

    Santa Clara County has had 374 SARSv2 deaths as of 10/17/2020. It's population has been stable around 1.93M for a few years now. Near 12,000 people died from all causes in 2016. Santa Clara Country should be opening movie theaters by now if you ask me.
     
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    That's true but ..
    If Twitter and Facebook and Google are using their monopoly position to simply determine the outcome of the presidential elections, and if they allowed to do that, then do not bother with the elections anymore. Just ask Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg who should be the next president, and proceed straight to the inauguration ceremony.
     
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    Twitter and Facebook and Google are considered private companies and thus can do whatever they want on their platform. If they want to ban all the right-wing folks so both platforms can be left-wing bubbles, then it is their right. No one force us to use their platforms, I don't use either one of them. Anyone in politics isn't required to use any Social Media platform to do their jobs.

    Let the right-wing push really hard to change Section 230 so they can go after these Social Media platforms, but they may not like that they are also giving the left-wing the same power to go after the right-wing sites like Breitbart, The Daily Caller, and so much more. Repeal Section 230, and both the left/right will have a field day. They both want to repeal it (just the Dems don't publicly want to admit it).

    Prager U attempted to sue Google/Youtube over them attempting to de-platform their videos. They lost pretty easily.
     
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    Yeah some of those conflicts are still present (thanks to the major foreign governments putting their dicks in it) but the governments around the world already made their statements at that time about what they think and what they should do and they already made their actions which some are still present, yeah with time some changed their mind and some withdrawn but still the most interventions are already made when those conflicts were still hot and "everyone must do something about it!".
    Trump would definitely be WAY less restrained just to defend his allies there as he cares about $$ and here we have a plenty of it to insure our and our allies security. War is $$ and Trump will be lusting after it.

    And I didn't deny Trump's conservative foreign policies I just said he well be less so if he was the president during those times where those conflicts just started and were hot AF!.

    Murica not intervening as much will cost her allies or gaining more allies, that's losing military deals and many other deals. Also losing their cultural influence around the world because f'ing China and Russians (or any country honestly) will not mind their own business because allies ARE businesses, Murica know that and they're doing it since WW1. Mind your own business and others will gain more diplomatic, financial and cultural power then your dick will be suddenly small.
     
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    I saw an analysis the other day that nationally the excess mortality for this year will probably be just under 20%. Even with the caveats (e.g. poor health care because of lockdowns, etc.), the vast majority of that will be due to SARSv2
     
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    How? Daily Caller, Breitbart, Washington Post, CNN, NYT are not covered by 230, they are responsible for the content they are publishing, that why CNN or Washington Post or both had top pay the settlement to the Covington kid.
     
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    I don't like the Verge, but they did a good job here: www.theverge.com/platform/amp/21273768/section-230-explained-internet-speech-law-definition-guide-free-moderation

    It goes much further than just social platforms. Even user comments can get a site in hot water if Section 230 is repealed for example. Forums also protected under Section 230.
     
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    We don't know what Trump would do or not do in any hypothetical situation. As far as allies, we are treaty or law bound to defend some allies. If there was an attack on NATO, I would probably bet that Trump would weasel out instead of getting involved. Time and time again, despite his verbal bluster, he's intervened far less that I thought he would.

    If you are worried about money corrupting us into wars, I'd worry more about the Carlyle Group, the establishment hawks, and the Hillary Clinton Foundation.

    Trump's foreign policy in terms of war or no war isn't conservative. There Republican (and Democratic) hawks who want us to get involved anywhere and everywhere such as Bolton. Trump didn't want anything more to do with Afghanistan. Bolton wanted the other way. Bolton lost.

    The idea of getting us out of these wars came from Bannon (as with Trump platform), who got it from the time before GWB invented the concept of pre-emptive war. From after Vietnam to GWB (Nixon to Clinton), the USA's policy was containment. Do just enough to keep the bad guys away, but don't get entangled. This is probably the reason why Clinton waited so long to do anything about the mess in the former Yugoslav states.

    Pulling out of endless wars is not the same thing as not intervening (that is not getting entangled). Freedom of navigation patrols are being conducted in the South China Sea to make a bold statement to China. We are conducting military exercises with our allies in the Pacific. We are getting India on board, cooperating with them on F16 production (India was once closer to the Soviet sphere of influence). We are selling more advanced weapons to our partners so they can defend themselves. I've been seeing more of a shift toward the IndoPacific in the past four years.

    Obama, on the other hand, wouldn't even sell F16s to Taiwan because he was afraid of China. We suck in the IndoPacific (was Asia Pacific) because the Obama and Biden surrender monkeys only talked about "pivot", but didn't do jack shit in order appease China.

    I see no loss of allies with us getting us out of civil wars Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq. All of our European allies have already gotten the f**k outta there. Maybe the Saudis might be ticked that we won't help them invade Yemen, but f**k that shit after seeing the messes in that area. I am sure our friends in NATO wouldn't hold it against us.

    However, I do agree that histrionics to pull out of NATO or asking our NATO partners to stick with their military commitments will piss off our allies in NATO such as Germany, who continue to be cheapskates. The fact is, the USA is in debt. We can't keep paying for other countries' defense, especially if they are already rich countries who can do it on their own. Friends aren't friends if they keep insisting that you keep paying for their french fries and milkshake.
     
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    This is a crazy list.

    American "intervention" in Iraq (Iraqi Civil War / against ISIS): 2014 - present

    Are we pretending that this had nothing to do with the Iraq war started by Bush? Second Obama was criticized by the right and Trump for not going in with more troops. Even though the strategy worked and Trump basically kept the same strategy and let ISIS collapse on itself with US pressure and coordination. Then we have Trump taking credit for destroying ISIS.

    SO its on Obama list but currently going on under Trump. Trump takes credit for it but its not on Trumps list. Weird.

    Later its said that every US president can go their own way. Correct so every intervention that Trump didn't get out immediately belongs on his list as well.


     
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    Absolutely not. I've mentioned GWB many times - how he deviated from our prior policy of containment to entanglement. Or how he was dumb in thinking that democracy can work in those areas. The US was high (drug pun intended) in that post Soviet collapse era, thinking we could export democracy and make the world a better place.

    Also, let's not forget almost the entire Congress including Democrats were behind this plan of invading Iraq and removing Saddam.

    Does everything need to be in bold? It's hard to read.
     
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    This is no different from GWB exclaiming "Mission Accomplished".

    ISIS is not destroyed. They will come back. Mark my words. We just don't know when. It could be five years. It could be another twenty. Too much strife between Sunnis and Shiites in that Iraq / Syria region. I just hope that when they come back, we do not get involved. They as a people need to sort this out for themselves, even if this is the result:

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Alternative_Factor_(episode)
     
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    It absolutely does if Trump started a hot or warm war, or escalated one. Except unlike Obama or GWB before him, he didn't.

    Sorry for the multiple relies. The bold blinded my eyes.
     
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    The "peace" deal process has only resulted in more attacks from both sides for positioning before it's implemented. It's a clusterfuck. Trump should care less about not losing face and just leave like what Nixon did.

    The official Afghan government is doomed. They will get run over by the Taliban next year and they know it.

    Their only hope is a new POTUS where the warmonger complex can whisper in his ear to send 20k troops to prop up the Afghan government. I doubt this will happen. Americans gotta be sick of wars by now. No one will dare say this, but we lost the war, like the Soviets before us.
     
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    I did not mean to bold I apologize.

    I disagree, if he continues an intervention its on him. He is in charge pure and simple. Trump can do it despite the industrial military complex.

    Yes the Iraq war was a terrible choice. It didn't help the leadership at the time demanded a reason to go war and got one.

    I agree some ISIS or other like minded terrorist will come again. I don't care if they fight over there but given a platform and resources we will be attacked.
     
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    This is something we need to get used to as Americans. People in the EU get attacked all the time by terrorists and had been well before 9-11. Americans attacked by terrorists shouldn't mean we get into wars that we can't win or destabilize authoritarian governments that actually help keep the crazies locked up.

    Or if we do go to war, let's do it right and not on the cheap. Full destruction, rebuilding, demoralization, and occupation like what we did in WW2.
     
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    @YMO: I think Trump would get more done during his second term as he was hamstrung from initially poor cabinet choices and continually dealing with Russian collusion allegations.

    He's fortunate that the GOP extended its control of the senate during midterms so he didn't have to deal with the issues Obama faced during his second term. I think most people would concede that Cocaine Mitch is an effective Senate majority leader and he's helped Trump get a lot enacted.
     
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    Honestly I blame Trump for not making the best decision on his cabinet. As stated on the article that I linked, the biggest issue I have with Trump is he needs to follow thru with stuff. Personally the dealing with the Russian collusion allegations isn't an excuse since the military will proceed without the drama in DC. Then again, what do I know.

    Cocaine Mitch impact will be felt for decades. He gotten the GOP to follow in step, and mostly trying to push out the moderate GOP senators out of Washington. Sooner or later what is a point of being a senator if you are going to be lock-step with the party. GOP wasn't expected to lose seats back in 2018 due to it was a favorable map for them. They will have to play defense this year and in 2022.
     
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    Tidbit. I didn't realize this, but this makes me want to puke. Numbers in billions.
    [​IMG]

    We could have installed solar panels with Tesla battery packs on every home in the USA a few times over already.
    WTF are we doing?
     
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    I don't think we need to get use to it or should accept this. I don't think you need to go into a full scale war to stop it. You can't stop everything but I do believe there is are steps, policies and actions in-between full scale war and doing very little that can reduce risks and keep people safer.

    I agree expecting that democracy will work everywhere or destabilizing governments is to helpful for is not wise.
     
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