Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. squishware

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    Straw Man arguments are for children. How about a posting a link to a Peer Reviewed study that shows that PCR tests are effective at Diagnosing Any Disease. Surely they have one, since they are locking down a planet due to PCR test results.
     
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    Entirely abstracting from the bitchute, never been there, this line about Twitter/Youtube/Facebook being a private company is becoming tiresome in the context oft almost total control of information flowing through internet those companies have.
    And I do not remember private companies having "election integrity" units, speech policing departments etc..

    It is essentially saying that Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg have a God given right to suppress, amplify, annotate, and edit any information on their platforms, to chock the distribution of any news outlet depending on their platform. Without actually being responsible for the content. That right is worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Pretending that we can have one or two companies controlling close to 100% of the market and we are still living in a free market , capitalist society, well that's just another dogma.
    T-Mobile is a private company but it is not allowed annotate my comments about fossil fuels or masks, whatever they are. Or replace every "fuck" with a beep.
    CNN, Fox, CNBC, NYT can do that because they have editorial responsibility and that's fine. Give Dorsey and Zuckerberg the same status, and keep them private.
    In the world that exists today, not in the past, the "Private company" argument, irrespective of intentions, is simply calling for unlimited, unchecked censorship.
     
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    @YMO , I'm with @wormcycle here, in that I suspect that the "new media" of Google/Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and the like have grown to be such a large part of not only "the interweb" (even though technically your right in that they are not the interweb) but of media in general that's time the FCC step in and regulate them in a manner similar to how they regulate newspaper, radio, and TV markets.

    One thing is fur sur, the ease into which they all have flowed into regulating political speech on their platforms reveals they are not the classical liberals of yesteryear...
     
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    Can you propose an alternative tests to PRC? They don't have anything more accurate for this disease(source Harvard Med site). It has up to 30% chance of not detecting the disease. False positive is near 0.


    It makes sense from my intuiton that when you have up to 30% false negatives (In some patch of tests done) then the test is quite severly innacurate but they don't have anything else. Maybe some virologist could chime in but this isn't a medical board. I don't have clue how these medical tests should work.

    Their excuse is that they have not done enough statistical research on the accuracy. Interesting topic but I am quite clueless tbh.
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    The problem with your argument comes down to one thing:

    You aren't required to use any of their services. If you don't like how they are doing things, you can always quit using their services. The US Courts has repeated ruled that these companies are Private Companies and thus can do more/less whatever they want with their platform (the Prager U example).

    I have friends who left Facebook/Twitter and stop using Youtube due to their deplatforming methods. They agree that they are private companies and they can do whatever they want, but they left their services. They also agree that you don't need to use Social Media to have a life, to work, or to do your job. I'm on that same boat.

    We can make a strong argument that at this point the Socials are not even close to Classic Liberals as @crenca suggested. I agree that how they do their business kind of sucks.

    As I stated before, it would be very dangerous to repeal Section 230. Conservatives want to do it so bad so they can go after the Social Media companies. Too bad they don't see the long term vision that if the Dems get in power they can go after any of the Conservatives platforms like Parler and the various of Conservatives forums to shut them down (since Section 230 also cover forums). Let the FCC with their bias members go after companies that they don't like with strong vengeance that it will send chills down people's spines with regards to deregulation of the Internet. I'll always be on the boat that the Internet works best with almost no regulation from the national government.


     
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    That's a convenient fiction, another reiteration of the dogma. Try to run a business and live for a month with Facebook and Twitter removing you every add every, every tweet when people share information about you...and then apply for a bail-out.

    Thangs are no real because they are theoretically possible of it would be nice if they were possible or real.
     
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    YMO it's not drinking alone if you're on Zoom

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    Not fiction. I know plenty of business owners who don't use Facebook or Twitter and they are very profitable. As stated before, if you don't like their services you don't need to use them. No one put a gun on your head and force you to use their services.
     
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    Senorx12562 Case of the mondays

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    You must know a completely different type of conspiracy theorist than I do, as I have always found all of them to be distinctly lacking in critical thinking. And anyone stupid enough to decide to allow their vote to be "skewed" by what they do or do not see on youtube (or bitchute, for that matter)? Well, that kind of speaks for itself.
     
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    Class action lawsuit :punk:. Just came across this while tossing out old mail.

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    Isn’t insane that they have all of our information that affects what we can purchase at what rate and have to jump through hoops to get certain records removed (with proof), then to have them say, “Oops our bad” and didn’t want to life a finger until it blew up.
     
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    I was doing errands today and taking crap out to the trash dumpster in my apartment complex. When I opened the door, I saw this:

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    Dunno why it was in there. Looks like the "legs" might be broken. Dunno if it is actually became useless or someone was stealing them due to being "triggered."

    We will never know.....
     
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    Most likely someone was stealing them. At the corner of my neighborhood and the first main cross street there are a dozen (or more) political signs. All of them have been there for a while, except the Trump 2020 sign that keeps being removed and then refreshed a few days later, then removed again...
     
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    I'm thinking the same, but my trash dumpster. Bleh.......
     
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    CREDIT AGENCIES GET AWAY WITH MURDER - ALMOST

    So anyway, this is sort of a mini-follow-up to the Mortgage Crisis article I wrote a while back. Per my usual style, I am going to start with some background, and then get to the point on why this Experian shit happened.

    Smaller community banks need to outsource services to third-parties because they do not have the resources of big banks. Examples of such are core processing (the bank's computer system that handles all the accounts), Internet banking, and bill payment. The big banks such as Chase or Citibank have a shitload of money to build, maintain, and upgrade these systems. The small banks do not, so they usually outsource this stuff to third-parties. For example, Fidelity National Information Services (FIS) is one such provider. Intuit used to be a provider of bill payment services and probably still is.

    Some regional (still small by big bank standards) were insane enough to run their own core processing systems. One based near Sacramento ran an old NCR mainframe into the ground, maintaining a stash of spare parts. Another small bank in Oregon also ran their own core processing mainframe, requiring a small army to so. That's Oregon though. Oregon is weird - you can't pump your own gas in Oregon by law. Some random fucker who looks like Goober from the Andy Griffith Show has to do it for it for you. It's part of Oregon's communistic philosophy that everyone deserves a job. So basically if you live in Oregon, you will probably have a job, but a shitty one. The result of this is if you smart and capable, you will never advance. It's very much a patronistic system they have there - with the plebs are given a ton of wiggle room to protest. Ever wonder why so many white young people in Portland are so angry burning down shit on behalf of indigenous people or people of color like myself? It's because they have no hope with their shitty service jobs.

    Anyway back on topic. The thing about using third parties is that the Federal regulators didn't want banks (small or large), to absolve themselves from all responsibility by simply throwing things over the fence to someone else. Banks were still responsible for doing due diligence and ongoing monitoring of third-parties who handled or processed their customers' information. This from a security and reliability (including financial solvency) point of view. Makes total sense.

    Contractual provisions with these third-parties would have to include provisions on keeping customer data safe, notifying the bank if there was a breach, assuring certain levels of uptime, etc. The banks would themselves have to perform security audits and inspections, ask the third-parties to fill in questionnaires, or obtain and review independent audit reports attesting to that these third-parties were kosher. Over time, it de facto ended up as the later because these third-party service providers would have thousands of customers asking them for the same thing over and over. It was just easier for these third-party providers to hire accounting firms like Arthur Anderson or KPMG - you know with men of honor who looked and talked like Jimmy Stewart - to perform a SSAE16 (was SAS70) audit to show that their security controls worked to protect the banks' customer information. (These audits were structured to always be a kind a joke, but that's another story for another time.)

    Now we would think that in the interests of efficiency, the Federal regulators would keep a registry of kosher service providers. While the Federal regulators, by the powers given to them, would also perform audits of these third-party providers, the last thing they wanted to do was to attest whether a provider was kosher or not. Too many political issues here - say if a service provider failed an audit, or if a service provider passed, but ended up leaking a ton of customer information (shit happens). No matter what, vendor management, as it was called, was left to each and every bank. It was pretty much the same process for every bank. An Excel spreadsheet with a list of service providers, risk ratings (with some methodology), and a vendor management folder for each high risk service provider (filled with SSAE16 reports that no one bothered reading, financial statements, contracts, BCP, etc.)

    So what does any of this have anything to do with any of the major consumer credit agencies (Experian, TransUnion, and Equifax)?

    Well, if we think about it, those credit agencies are third-party service providers of banks, including the big ones to-big-to-fail too. Wells Fargo and Bank of America aren't in the business of keeping consumer credit records. Even if they were, it would be too monopolistic for them to have this role.

    Well, what about vendor management, that is due diligence and ongoing monitor of these service providers? This was a great question that a noob auditor we just hired would often ask. Well guess what: those credit agencies, Experian, TransUnion, and Equifax, were effectively exempt.

    Banker: I have a question, do we need to do vendor management of the credit agencies? They don't seem to want to give us anything. They won't let us audit. The contract provisions for security are weaksauce and they won't bend on them.

    Auditor: Oh, don't worry. Credit agencies are exempt for due diligence and ongoing monitor. Don't worry, I think the regulators have a handle on them. The regulators won't ding you if you skip the credit agencies.

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    Yeah, that's the power of special interests plus regulatory bureaucracy for ya. The credit agencies answer to no one but themselves, and they have more just as much data on as Google or Facebook, just the other kind, your financial data. To this day, how effectively the credit agencies protect your persona financial information remains a black hole.

    This is the story of part my life and why I have so little faith in government
     
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    @YMO: I think you might get a kick out of this given how closely you've been observing FL voting.
    https://joeisdone.github.io/florida/

    The proposed methodology is pretty interesting and is similar to how I've been constructing my own mental model on how Democrats and GOP are likely game theorying the general election. I suspect most pollsters have it wrong again and that the people actually working in the Biden and Trump campaigns have a more accurate view of how things are unfolding.
    https://joeisdone.github.io/

    I hope the author does the same for PA. It would be interesting to see the same toggleable views.
     
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    Thanks for the link, but I prefer not reading a site that is bias on a result (I got bored of the cringe text on the main site). Even without reading this data, I am still pretty convinced that Trump has an edge (a minor one) in FL. The one thing that none of these sites will not get right are so many crossover voters each side gets + Independent votes. Since FL is closed primary state, you have voters who are liberal but registered as Republican so they can pick their preference in the primary races but normally vote down ticket Dem in the General Election. Same is true in reverse.

    People spend millions of dollars and hours trying to figure out FL. No data site/pollster will really get it right. On the few things they do get right however, Miami-Dale county Dem turnout isn't doing too hot with the GOP turnout in this area. If Dems prefer poorly on their turnout in Miami-Dale then Biden doesn't have a shot in getting the 29 FL EC votes.
     
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    Polling can be done in so many different ways, telephone, online, opt-in, offline recruiting. Internet and social media only skews things. Most of the people who voted for Trump in 2016 were the silent ones, the type not to bother with Facebook, Twitter, or even pick up their cell phone from a stranger.

    We figure the pollsters would have or should have known, but polling is like everything else today, it's politicized one way or another.
     
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    The website URL was probably chosen to needle some people and I'm surprised GitHub hasn't taken it down yet, but ignoring the write-ups, I think it's interesting seeing the actual data rather than RCP polling agency aggregates or CNN/NYT projected electoral college maps.

    I don't have data to back it up but per @purr1n's point, I also feel like there's a lot of shy Trump voters out there. Nate Silver was ripping on Trafalgar over Twitter but I don't think anyone has figured out how to get it quite right since 2016.

    Anyway, I think it's pretty neat that this sort of data is now publicly available for anyone to run analytics against. I'm assuming this is what most people are building their visualizations off of. I'm starting to see people share interesting perspectives on the EV data and individual citizens (academics and non-academics) are doing a much more insightful job on parsing the numbers and implications than mainstream outlets.
    https://countyballotfiles.floridados.gov/VoteByMailEarlyVotingReports/PublicStats
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/...ule=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage#commentsContainer

    If that is appearing in NYT, that means even those folks are hedging. Not trusting the polls? They do not want to look like complete morons again in case if Trump wins.
     
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    Yeah. Everyone including Trump thought Hillary had it in the bag in 2016. Until oh-shit after oh-shit when the Rust Belt states reported in.

    Poll numbers used for politics, to discourage those supporting a projected loser not to go vote, can also work the other way: making the projected winner overconfident and taking things for granted.

    The press loves to talk about voter suppression or disenfranchisement. Polls are just a more subtle means of doing this.

    As far as polls screwing up, they screwed up in FL for 2000 too. Or something about chads.
     
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