New Audeze LCD series earpads - everyone should upgrade

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  1. rhythmdevils

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    Audeze has changed their earpad design for their LCD series headphones and use the new version on all LCD models now. It’s not a subtle change. They are shallower, and made with a radically different kind of foam. The old pads use dense memory foam, while the new pads use low density regular non memory foam. It’s a good choice, most memory foam actually does not have great acoustic properties. Though it does work in ear pads sometimes. Eearpads’ affect on sound is extremely complex and I believe is not a science for any headphone manufacturer but a matter of guess and check pretty randomly until something works.

    The new earpads still have the suspicious felt material between the adhesive ring and the earpads which seems to be an intentional filtered leak to increase soundstage. It seems to be there on purpose and this is what it would achieve. Better soundstage while holding onto bass response.

    The most important thing though is the difference in sound. Audeze has switched to these new pads on all their headphones for a reason. They sound much much better than the old pads.

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    The new earpads elevate the typical recessed upper mid-treble FR range making them more neutral, though still an Audeze. Still on the warm side but the new pads pull them away from “too recessed” territory.

    They are also much more open sounding with bigger soundstage and sense of air. This is the biggest difference an its not subtle. The old pads sound very congested, closed in and veiled in comparison.

    Unfortunately for me, the new pads are too shallow for their Fazors and my ears touch the Fazors and it hurts. I pull the Faros off all my Audeze’s. They might do something good but it’s quite subtle. I believe it’s a measurement chasing thing like THD. They make the sound a bit smoother to my ears, but I cannot modify them without removing them and my mods do more for the sound than the fazors.

    But I’m guessing Audeze did their homework. I have big ears. For most people, I’m guessing ears touching the faros probably won’t be a problem.

    The only other unfortunate thing is Audeze is still using a thick fuzzy dust cover that kills a lot of the resolution their drivers are capable of. I have experimented with replacing it with panty hose material (the best dust cover material, it’s very acoustically transparent while still having a tight enough weave to keep out particles). This makes them much more resolving but does not work ultimately, because the headphones are tuned for this dust cover to lower the upper frequencies. When replaced with pantyhose material, the upper mids are actually too forward. Some would probably love this though.

    My point is that everyone with LCD headphones from the LCD-2 Classic to LCD-X and I imagine LCD-4 as well should upgrade. It’s a drastic and relatively cheap sonic improvement and even if they don’t work out because your ears touch the Fazors it’s worth the expense for the chance at the improved sound.
     
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    @rhythmdevils did you try the leather or leather-free version?
     
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    Leather. I can’t vouch for the non leather specifically because I haven’t heard it. But they are both going to sound better because it’s the internal foam change that is making the big difference.
     
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    It seems like they went back to their old smaller pad widths (pic from my LCD-2 rev. 1):

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    Good to know.

    I might give my classics another spin when I get my second shot in August and can risk going back to the workshop.
     
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    I might have to check these out. I have been using ZMF eikon suede pads basically as far back as I can remember because it made the LCD-2C less veiled.
     
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    The difference is not subtle. You should definitely get a pair. Everyone with LCD headphones should. Hence the title. :)
     
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    Too bad they still use glue. If only it is easy to swap pads around, the LCDs would be much more versatile.
     
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    Good stuff as always. I got my 2021 LCD-X with , according to Audeze, new pads. I have never heard the "old" LCD-X but @Vtory said 20121 LCD-X are very different. It would be interesting to compare 2021 LCD-X with "old" LCD-X with new pads. From Audeze about the 2021 update:
    "LCD-X and XC have improvements for more consistent performance, with newly optimized
    magnetic circuits that offer the sonic excellence our users have known for many years.
    We also modified the LCD earpad material to get a better seal around the ears on
    differently shaped heads for a more consistent sonic experience."
    So the pads and unspecified optimization of magnets. Or maybe just pads?
     
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    They do not use glue they use double sided adhesive. You can pull them off and put them off many times before they loose stickiness and even then you can buy double sided adhesive and cut out a ring to replace the old adhesive.

    but it would definitely be better if they used a baffle lip like most headphones.

    this is just marketing mumbo jumbo probably not written by the people who designed the new pads. They do not seal better than the old pads. The benefit is primarily the kind of foam used as I explained in my first post.
     
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    Here is a picture showing the difference between the stock dust material on the new stock pads vs a pair of new pads that I replaced with pantyhose material which is far more acoustically transparent while still protecting the drivers. Resolution is greatly improved with the pantyhose material.

    Unfortunately I do not recommend making this change without other modifications to the headphones because it also increases the upper mids and treble which does not sound good.

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    Any measurements for the stock vs nylons? visual transparency does not necessarily equate to auditory transparency, even if the gutcheck feeling goes that way, but it'd be nice to see some figures.
     
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    I don’t take measurements. I listen. My observations are not based on visual transparency. I have a lot of experience with this. You’ll have to trust me or not. ;)

    The pictures are just for representation purposes. I've got some visualy opaque material that's pretty acoustically transparent. But Audeze's dust cloth material is not just the density that makes it kill resolution and lower the upper frequencies but also the fact that it's fuzzy. It's a very absorbent material.

    the difference is huge. Along with the increase in resolution, the upper mids become too bright for me with pantyhose. I use different pads in my mod because of this.
     
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    Interesting. The conspiracy theorist in me would argue the softer foam will loose form rather quickly. Which causes more changes in the sound. So it becomes a new vs old pad age debate with die hards replacing earpads every 6 months like they do on HD6xx. Could be great for pad sales.
     
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    Even squished new version pads would sound better than the old version pads. And being soft foam doesn't necessarily mean they will loose shape and compress. It depend on the quality of foam used. I still recommend upgrading to everyone. It would honestly be stupid not to. 50 bucks for a huge improvement in SQ.
     
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    Does make sense. Had a pair of Audeze Sines some time ago. I loved the energetic signature but hated the on ear form factor. So I for some 3D printed rings which greatly improved comfort with M40x pads. But moving the drivers further away from the eardrum sacrificed too much impact and detail, which destroyed the character I liked. Ended up selling them. Seems like Audeze is doing the opposite by moving the drivers closer to the ear ... My first pre-fazor LCD2's had thinner pads than my more recent defazored pair and I do recall them hitting harder despite having a darker tilt.
     
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    no the difference is the acoustic properties of the new foam material which is much much more open air and gives them bigger soundstage and an airier sound that is less closed in and calloustraphobic and muffled. They need to be closer to the ear to compensate for this more open character of the pads that isn’t sealing as well to maintain bass response.
     
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    I hate the dense memory foam on my faux leather pads bought in 2018. They always gave me headache after an hour wearing.
    Bummer that Audeze sold me the fake leather pads that cost me about $200 to be shipped to my country. Those pads had no lovely feeling and smell that I was used to..
     
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    Are these new pads the so-called "Audeze LCD Series 2020 Replacement Ear Pads", or has there been another revision since the 2020 series?
     
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    I don’t know about the that label. But if you buy the new 2021 earpads I’m recommending here, they are labeled on the bag “Audeze LCD open cell foam ear pads”. Or I may have the wording in the wrong order but they call them “open cell foam” on the label on the bag the pads come in.

    I still highly recommend everyone replace their old memory foam earpads with these. Well worth the 80$. I would recommend the leather version because I’m not familiar with the pleather ones but they could be just as good.
     
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