Schiit Mjolnir 3 Impressions

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  1. JK47

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    Thanks for adding noise to an awesome thread with speculation and confusing conjecture.
     
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    LOL, well you could watch Warrior (assuming she is old enough) which turns Kung-Fu on its head.



    Throughout its three seasons, the lead Asian male got to f**k a white blonde women, a beautiful Mexican lady, and then by season 3 finally settled on a nice Chinese girl. When the Chinese characters talk with each other, they speak in perfect American English without accents (normalizing their speech). It's only when the Chinese characters talk to white people do they speak in "Engrish". There are detestable characters throughout, but certain white characters are super detestable, along with the token "decent" white people (an Irishman or two, and a decent Southerner on the run) LOL. It's so turned on its head that it's hilarious. (There's one Chinese lady who goes around executing shitty racist white people with her sword in the middle of the night.) I am absolutely certain there will be white people watching this show going WTF on the evil white people stereotypes. (Something we yellow people have to deal with for a long time).
     
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    only prob w this show is that it's a hapa lead and not a full blood, but f**k to the yes on Warrior (sorry JK47)
     
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    Come to think of it, my kids did literally say: WTF, why is he a white guy?
    Dad response: He's supposed to be a half-breed like you kids.
    Kids: Dad, he doesn't look Asian at all.
    Dad: Doesn't he? I think he kinda does.
    Kids: No dad.

    My own dad thought the show was cool back in the day: Oh, soft style Kung Fu. Shaolin monks. Neat.
     
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    Oh yeah…I know this show. ABC stole the idea completely from Bruce Lee simply because Bruce didn’t understand how to protect his show pitch to executives. I think it did try to pay honor to Asian culture, but with a non-Asian as the main character. Who know ls how much greater it would have been with Lee’s involvement. But now we’re way off topic.

    I still don’t understand how this amp being so transparent while also being such a dark amp. Even with a MMB2 source at the meet, it still did not have enough clarity or air for me.
     
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    Not the same amp. That was the prototype, with parts constantly changing, along with the masking tape and warnings "do not flip switch with headphones attached". It still may not have that last octave air for you though.
     
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    I grew up about 10 minutes from where Bruce Lee lived in Oakland, Ca. which I thought was cool. It's cool to see his daughter try and rectify the bullshit that happened with 'Kung Fu'. Funny enough I saw and met David Carradine at a film premiere in LA shortly before he accidentally hung himself while getting off (what a way to go out!). He was eating a hot dog and had a small bottle of whiskey he snuck into the screening and seemed frail... it was some awful B-movie my actor friend was in, and I guess Carradine was friends with Damien Chapa (Blood in Blood Out) who directed it.

    I've always been fascinated but intimidated by asian culture. I had bullies and took Aikido at the local dojo to rectify that (obsessed with Karate Kid, Power Rangers, Enter the Dragon etc)... my uncle was a black belt in Karate and a serious Bruce Lee fan (even filmed himself doing nunchakus like Lee in 'Chinese Connection'). The whole "stop Asian hate" thing was waaaaay late... in Oakland (late 80s/early 90s) I lived across the street from a laundry mat and Cantonese restaurant owned by an asian family I was friends with. One night their oldest son got the shit beaten out of him by some black thugs and was unrecognizable with bandages on his face... it was horrific. I think they were trying to rob him, but the whole thing seemed malicious. It wasn't a bad neighborhood per se, but bordered the bad neighborhood. It was the middle ground between "black/mexican" bay area and "white" bay area.

    I have been trying to get through Warrior's first season, but keep stopping. I might jump back in tonight.
     
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    This was the dealbreaker for me with Folkvangr.
     
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    Folk just sounded plain rolled. I wouldn't say Mjolnir 3 top octave is any more muted than Mjolnir 1 or 2 or Rag 1/1.5. It's just that the top octave isn't not emphasized like on some amps.
     
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    I find MJ2's air to be acceptable, so if it's a match for that it's fine.

    If we're on the topic, what are some amps that have emphasized air? Whatever comes to mind
     
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    Mjolnir 3
    0dBu (0.775Vrms) into 300-ohms
    4Vrms source, output arrived by adjusting volume knob
    BAL in, BAL out
    SE, NFB, High Gain
    upload_2023-9-4_21-24-22.png

    Mjolnir 3
    -10dBu (0.775Vrms) into 300-ohms
    4Vrms source, output arrived by adjusting volume knob
    BAL in, BAL out
    SE, NFB, High Gain
    upload_2023-9-4_21-29-56.png

    Mjolnir 3
    0dBu (0.775Vrms) into 32-ohms
    4Vrms source, output arrived by adjusting volume knob
    BAL in, BAL out
    SE, NFB, High Gain
    upload_2023-9-4_21-28-28.png

    No distortion spikes above -100db. Much better results than I expected here!

    Mjolnir 3
    -10dBu (0.775Vrms) into 32-ohms
    4Vrms source, output arrived by adjusting volume knob
    BAL in, BAL out
    SE, NFB, High Gain
    upload_2023-9-4_21-31-14.png

    I am actually a little bit surprised here. No distortion products above -100dBu. Distortion at closer to reasonable listening levels (but still high SPL) is very low.
     
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    I think most ECs are airier. THX789. Even Magni+ or Piety I feel are airier, but only by a tiny bit. Almost anything with Gilmore moniker (commercial, not necessarily DIY), maybe excessively so. Don't get me wrong. Stick a fricking AKM Velvet DAC deal and there's plenty of air.
     
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    A few select others:

    -10dBu into 32-ohms
    PP mode (@schiit did warn more noise / hum in PP)
    upload_2023-9-4_21-39-47.png

    -10dBu into 32-ohms
    PP mode and FB on
    upload_2023-9-4_21-43-11.png

    -10dBu into 300-ohms
    SE mode, FB on

    upload_2023-9-4_21-42-10.png

    0dBu into 300-ohms
    SE mode, FB on
    upload_2023-9-4_21-46-13.png
     
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    Thanks for putting in the work and sharing the results. In my initial impressions, I said that I preferred push-pull mode, and suspected there was more distortion than SE, though in theory, what I see on the graph shouldn’t be audible. Interesting to see it here.

    For the record, a few weeks later, I’m pretty much exclusively listening in PP mode, but can tell SE mode would be more popular for others.
     
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    THD (not THD+N) vs Output (V)
    BAL in, BAL out
    SE and NFB
    90kHz bandwidth
    upload_2023-9-4_22-11-22.png

    THD (not THD+N) vs Output (V)
    BAL in, BAL out
    PP and NFB
    90kHz bandwidth
    upload_2023-9-4_22-15-20.png

    PP mode has more noise (AC mains), but less distortion into more difficult loads at higher output levels.
     
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    This is a high output level, but not high enough. I guess we can say PP has more mains noise, but marginally lower distortion (by a few db?). SE and PP mode do sound different though.

    Mjolnir 3
    PP mode, NFB
    BAL in, BAL out
    0dBu
    upload_2023-9-4_22-18-47.png

    Mjolnir 3
    SE mode, NFB
    BAL in, BAL out
    0dBu
    upload_2023-9-4_22-21-10.png
     
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    I just realized something interesting. No 4+HD or "crap factor" as @atomicbob calls it. Main distortion products are second and third harmonic.

    Let's push it up to 2Vrms output just to see...
    (this level kills hearing or headphones)

    32-ohms SE NFB
    upload_2023-9-4_22-31-27.png

    32-ohms PP NFB
    upload_2023-9-4_22-32-46.png

    Still, no one is hearing distortion at such low levels. Nothing in the measurements is explaining why PP and SE sound different. Maybe it's placebo. Maybe it's expectation bias. ;)
     
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    Mjolnir 3
    THD vs Frequency
    Note bandwidth to 50kHz!
    upload_2023-9-4_22-47-45.png

    Note: SE mode has more of a rise in THD toward higher frequencies.
     
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    Measurements summary:

    I thought the measurements would be shittier, but they aren't. At expected listening levels (and also much louder because 0dBu into most headphones will cause hearing damage quickly), there's not a single harmonic spike that is louder than -100db. (Theoretically, no one can hear any of this, looking at steady state signals can only tell us so much.) The exception is when the amp is in PP mode where the AC noise gets to -85db, and even then, this won't be audible even with efficient Grados. (The amp turned out subjectively quieter than I thought it was going to be and these measurements confirm that - the Mjolnir 3 is NOT a Grado hum machine!). One very interesting aspect is the lack of "crap factor" or harmonics from the 4th and up.

    With respect to SE and PP modes, PP has lower distortion at higher output levels and lower impedance loads. The amp seems to have a rise in distortion after the 10kHz mark with the PP mode exhibiting a lower rise in distortion than SE mode as we go up in frequency. This is something of academic note and not to be associated with anything subjective.

    About the only thing I expected (based on what I heard subjectively and my measurement experience) that turned out to be true was the second and third harmonic being evenish. This would seem to be the case at reasonably high listening levels (-10db into 30-ohms). Below this output level, distortion isn't detectable! (see below graphs). As the amp is pushed harder toward clipping (headphone destruction levels), the 3rd and then the 5th harmonics creep up.

    Finally, I leave you guys with a measurement reflective of the output levels I probably use (I don't listen as loud as I used to) with the HD600 and Caldera.

    If there is a moral to the story (measurements), then its the following:
    • Measurements often can't tell us much how something sounds likes.
    • Measurements can be designed to make it appear that something is worse than it really is. Or the opposite: to promote manufacturers who exceed in certain measurements that have zero to little correlation to how something sounds like.
    Mjolnir 3
    -20dBu into 300-ohms (HD600)
    SE mode NFB
    upload_2023-9-4_23-7-57.png

    Mjolnir 3
    -20dBu into 32-ohms (Caldera)
    SE mode NFB
    upload_2023-9-4_23-6-39.png
     
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    If the production model is that much different than what was at the shows, I'd be curious to hear it. Count me in for the loaner when it happens.
     
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