Schiit Saga Thread

Discussion in 'Preamps' started by HitmanFluffy, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. rlow

    rlow A happy woofer

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    @BenjaminBore so where does that leave you now in your thinking about getting more gain? Tough position to be in when you just got set up with what you wanted (and already over budget), but then realize you need something else...esp since you’re in the UK, Schiit is not exactly in your backyard. You could keep an eye out for a used Freya I suppose, but not sure how plentiful they would be over there. Also hard to swallow having the to spend hundreds on a transformer - also the transformer solution may still not get you enough gain to be honest, depending how much it’s currently lacking.
     
  2. BenjaminBore

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    Somewhat buggered. I’m not changing the speakers, which leaves the two original options you guys suggested. Otherwise I’m back to looking for an integrated, that can increase gain, which’ll at least have the benefit of properly stacking with the Gungnir.

    IIRC the Exposure 3010 uses an active stage, unlike the 2010/1010. Was yours gain capable? EDIT: The 3010 and 2010S onwward state on the specs: Pre-amplifier output: 1V, with rated input (gain +18dB full volume)

    Come to think of it given that I’m running near max the Saga isn’t serving much use at all right now as I can just digitally attenuate a bit via the DEQ2496 or iphone without significant degradation.

    EDIT: @tranq How are you connecting that Magni to the Vidar? Throwing current into an amplifier is probably a good way to make something go *pop*
     
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  3. tranq

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    Magni 3 comes with preamp outputs. RCA cables from magni 3 into Vidar.

    So RCA cables from one of sagas outputs into Magni 3's input, turn magni 3 to max, then run an RCA cable from the magni 3 outputs into vidars SE inputs. Low gain on magni is 3db, high gain is 17db. Saga volume control controls it all.

    Edit: from magni 3 literature on Schiit.com

    "Powered Monitors Welcome, Too
    Magni 3 includes preamp outputs. This means you can connect it to your desktop powered monitors for a complete system—or even connect it to a speaker power amp and use it as a preamp. With its built-in time-delayed start-up and instant shut-down, there’ll be no glitches or pops through either headphones or speakers, either."

    Edit 2. I ran Vidar off of magnis low gain, I didn't test high gain
     
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  4. Jerry

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    Guys,

    Just wanna check if anyone ever had their volume knob come off?

    I can't seem to put it back to place. Doesn't seem to fit.

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    I opened my unit up to look at something and must have taken the knob off, but don't remember any trouble putting it back on and it has been secure since. Is there a set screw to tighten on the side of the knob?
     
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    Hot damn....you're right. Thanks a lot man!
     
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    If I'm never reaching max on the Saga volume control, is using a Magni for gain adding anything? Meaning, if I have enough voltage with the Saga alone, is there a difference with the Saga at a lower volume but then followed by the Magni adding volume?

    Thanks
     
  8. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Using Magni is not likely doing anything unless there is a mismatch between your source and amp which requires more gain.
     
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    Yeah, Magni has gain, saga doesn't.

    Magni will add its own coloration to the sound if it's in the chain. I have no idea if you will like it or not. I'm not recommending it either way. Just threw it out there as a way to get more gain into Vidar without buying a Freya or some other preamp with gain.
     
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    I have an OG Saga and I am about to pull the trigger on a Bottlehead Eros 2 but I'm a bit worried about impedance matching: the Saga's input impedance being 10kohm and the Eros 2's output impedance being 4kohm, they recommend something with at least 15kohm... so would this then be a poor match, and I should look elsewhere for a phono preamp if I want to keep my Saga? Or is it not something I should really worry too much about? I've also considered a Cornet 3, a friend has one and it's very good, but I would prefer the Bottlehead, as I am a fan of having something I can modify, as well as something with some amount of shielding and not just a cheap plastic case...

    edit: response from Doc B:
    10K input impedance should work fine. The bass might be the tiniest bit more warm and full into a 10K ohm input impedance compared to something like 50K ohms where it might be a little more controlled, but I don't think it will be a deal breaker. Where you might go too far with that is if the input impedance was as low as the 4K output impedance of the Eros, or lower. Then you might start to hear a tiny bit of distortion with loud passages. I have used an Eros with our Mainline headphone amp, which has an input impedance almost as low as the Saga, and it sounds great.

    pulled the trigger that's endgame for me
     
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  11. willsw

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    Using my Saga again and thought about buying a new remote to prevent couch cushion disappearance. But then I decided to handle it myself.
     

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