Sennheiser HD660S Speculation

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  1. %20 Oddity

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    The Momentums are all closed cans, so, idk, maybe they’d try to figure out a way to bridge between the markets.
    Then again I cannot imagine a single scenario in which you’d use open headphones on a mobile setup and not end up a nuisance to everyone around you. Maybe if you’re one of those people who buy a Fiio E17 as your compy’s sole sound source?
     
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    +1 Anthracite, looks brilliant (ironic wording not lost on me).

    As for the use case, I think it's more accessible for people newer to audio, such as myself. I got my first not-horrible cans (Senn HD428) back in 2009 or so, and all these years later I'm still just stuck in mid-fi thanks to financial constraints. On the one hand, it necessitates careful planning for each upgrade, but on the other, boo TOTL sources are (currently) way outta reach.

    I do feel the lower impedance on the 660 may result in improved pairing with less superlative sources, such as the transportable amp/DAC combos that lots of people seem to have. If Sennheiser really is retiring the 650 though, then one hopes these scale up as well as the 650 on endgame gear, otherwise the price of the 650 may only increase on the used market and I'll be even less likely to eventually own one! :))

    I do carry full sized cans to school and back along with a portable amp and all, but A.) That's weird and inconvenient, and B.) they're (mostly) closed back anyway, unlike the new Senns. I'm thinking the 660 is more for people like one other person on here (someone with a cat avatar, which barely narrows it down any) who listens around their home straight out of an iDSD (which I also do, haha). The lower impedance would make sense in that case.
     
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    Just my personal tastes I guess, but I've never understood why anyone would want to walk around wearing full size, and even more to the point open, headphones. Though all my home headphones are open, I walk several miles a day in a urban environment while listening only with IEMs and my goal is to increase isolation (ATM, mostly using Senn IE80s with SpinFits to improve mediocre isolation). Also, while marginal outdoors, using an open headphone on public transit or in a library or office is just plain rude IMO.
     
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    I don't think it's so much about "portable" as it is "easily drivable". The LCD-X has pretty well crushed the niche of high(ish) performance cans than you can decently well drive off of any gear you own. The HE-X more confusingly was painted as a portable high performance headphone, which given their tremendous size and the fact that they're open back is silly. But here I am listening to the HE-X at my desk on an inexpensive amp and thoroughly enjoying it.

    Sure, my modded HD650 sounded great out of the Mjolnir 2 that I used to own. Maybe I decided a $850 amp isn't worth it for me though.
     
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    I would be absolutely thrilled if I could chill out on my couch with an HD660s and my WM1A and get good results (especially with an included 4.4 balanced cable).

    I don't think dropping to 150ohms is going to make anyone's gear irrelevant unless you only have a BH Crack. Even if the performance is only slightly better than the 650, it seems like a pretty fair evolutionary move. I just hope they switch the pad filling to something that doesn't break down so quickly.
     
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    Nah yo, just do what Beyer did and make different impedance versions. If it is not an improvement in sq that is. Not that difficult. Keep my impedance high and give me another one easier to drive and I'll buy both.
     
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    Sennheisers innovation management is on point.
    Just make the same headphone a fourth time, with the only difference being that it now uses the actually not that bad transducer from their failed product. And people get excited.
    Close to zero effort and maximum gain, Sennheiser knows how it works.
     
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    Yeah, that looks a lot like the HD 700 driver.
     
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    Because my relatives weren't going to use headphone amps, but rather their smartphone or laptop, I bought or recommended HD598 in the past. If this offers a considerable improvement, almost on the level of a 600 or 650, then it is a big step forward. Just not for us, the diehards. Assuming the price is well below a 600.
     
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    Ah, yeah, I get the appeal of “transportable” gear. Like not necessarily something you’d want to use in a library (unless you like being the epicenter of ire), but rather something you can take to work or use on a iPad when pacing around the house.

    I’m all for that sorta thing, so long as it doesn’t get in the way of performance and specifically scalability. It’s easy to forget that the HD650 was a flagship headphone when it was released, so I guess I’m kinda hoping it isn’t “demoted” too much.

    As Marv says... best to not get one's expectations too high. Better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
     
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    Rumours have it at 699$ MSRP.

    MSRP does not exactly mean much in Sennheiser's case, but if it's true I'd expect it to stay there for a while.
     
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    Looking forward to trying these out. I don't think my beat up, modded, old timey HD650s are sellable, so I won't sell them even if I buy the HD 660 S.

    All signs from Sennheiser seem to point to this as a successor to the HD650, which implies that the HD650 is going to be discontinued.

    It does not make sense to position a headphone at the exact same price point (remember, many of us paid > $400 for our HD650s many years ago, as the MSRP is $499, just like the HD 660 S) that is marketed as an improvement and successor (see that word again?).

    It talks about being for the "passionate audiophile," not the everyman cell phone dongle dangler. Why would they intentionally create marketplace confusion?

    They won't.

    If the HD650 isn't discontinued within a year, I'll put pink tape on my HD650 headband for the entire next year as penance for being so brazenly incorrect.
     
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    I'd say HD650 (or HD600 even less, when talking subs) can't produce an ordinary adequately produced kick drum in a rock or metal tune quite properly. A kick doesn't necessarily need great sub-bass reproduction, but boy do they benefit from it. As a comparison, an EQ'd HD800 or LCD-2 don't bring you a thump in the chest of a PA, but their relatively well reaching & clean "headphone bass" is very pleasing nonetheless in comparison.

    With better extending and cleaner bass my HD600 would get constant use (and I'd still have the 650), but for a huge fan of good quality (not quantity) bass it just doesn't.
     
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    I hear you. Using a calibrated pair from Sonarworks at my job with the no-limits profile...very nice. However, that is only for the diehards pros and enthusiasts. If it's meant for smartphone use it needs to work. And frankly, if you want young people, give a little bass bump.

    MSRP same as 650? Hm. Now I really don't know who this is for. If it is the same cost as nice IEMs, hell, custom IEMs...
     
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    Interesting.

    Next month I am going to CanJam Europe in Berlin. If the headphone is there expect impressions and pictures. If the headphone is worth it who knows I might consider one. If not a spare HD600 or DT150 is on the list.

    Thing is, a well driven HD650 stock still sounds good enough to just enjoy the music (while forgetting other headphones exist). With Frans'/Solderdude Kameleon module alone the HD650 sounds amazing.

    This headphone has to sound really good. If not even German Maestro makes better alternatives (their headphones are worth an audition, no joke).
     
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    Confirmed from Sennheiser USA, the HD660S is made in Ireland.
     
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    so, scoop up unloved HD700, strip drivers, glue into some HD650 bezels?
     
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    Sennheiser did this before with the HD 25 and HD 280. They had special HD 25-13 and HD 280-13 that were 600 ohms. I'd like it if they made a HD 660S-13 that was high impedance.
     

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