Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

I don't think Trump wants to change the rules. I think from his POV that he wants the rules to be followed. I don't see anything wrong with the examination of facts as we can find them in regards to the contended states. Given that we have now for the first time in history the technology to influence elections on a massive scale, we should all want to be sure that systems that are put in place for voting actually do what we expect, and that the counters of the votes can't do things they shouldn't.

That said, I think Biden will be inaugurated on the 20th.

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Honestly I don't get why Americans care so much about who's going to be president. That job assignment is foreign policy, leading the military in the event of war, and negotiating treaties (which really falls under foreign policy), retaining a check on congress' lawmaking authority, and nominating the federal judiciary.

The REAL thing that Americans should care (worry?) about is the makeup of congress. Those porkers have immense ability to impact our lives in bad ways. There should be no such thing as a continuing resolution to fund the government. IMO they should have to have debate and votes to reauthorize any taxes or spending (individually) every single year, or have them automatically expire. There should be no such thing as an omnibus spending bill. There shouldn't be baseline accounting for federal departments. It's currently set up to grow-and-grow-and-grow, on autopilot.

Whilst I'm ranting a bit, the senate should go back to being selected by the state legislatures so that the states have representation in the entity they created.

 

@Streamline,

This is the problem with human nature, folks don't agree on what the facts even are. Yourself, the Dem's, and the left believe in a certain set of facts about what was said and what it means (e.g. whether it is nothing at all, the usual, a misdemeanor, or a felony worthy of impeachment), and Repub's, the right, and myself as a non-libertarian conservative believe it is another thing altogether. Thus you view the impeachment as legitimate, and what Trump is doing as illegitament and even a threat to the system itself. Speaking for myself, I view what Trump is doing as a species of what @YMO described as a certain kind of rough and tumble NY politics (and it's not just NY of course) that has a long history in America and is not threat to our system - on the contrary its a natural result of it. I am actually not that worried about the impeachment was some kind of existential threat to the republic either, but I do point out the left's moral hypocrisy. Real conservatives actually do care in a way you may or may not think matters:

"....as long as Republican politicians choose to spend their time acting out futile fantasies while letting their capacity for governing atrophy, they are failing the voters they say they want to serve.

And they are failing their voters in a more fundamental way, too. By lying to these voters in order to benefit from their outrage, Republican politicians are living down to the view these voters have of our country’s leaders — precisely the view those politicians claim to channel and share. They are affirming too many voters in their low opinion of American politics, and they are leaving them doubtful that the incoming president is legitimate and that our larger system of government is too.

No amount of macho fighting talk can cover up this simple fact: To play along with the president’s lies about the election is a profound failure of leadership, a dereliction of responsibility, and a disgrace...."

( https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/failures-of-leadership-in-a-populist-age/ this may be behind a paywall)

But the right has had a problem for the last 70 years or so in that while it has hung on to a certain kind of (older) virtue, the left has learned how to subvert institution's for their own ends. Trump was a breath of fresh air in that he was not moved by left wing self serving virtue (which is sincerely believed by those on the left). Since the left and the right fundamentally disagree as to what virtue is, and even what truth is, your not going to convince those on the right that Trump is a special case worthy of special indictment.

edit: were there similiar self critiques by the Dem's of their impeachment fantasies? Maybe, but I did not see any though I did not go looking for them.

 

The problem is with the modern US media, going Thulsa Doom on a place is impossible. That's how Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan leveled Afghanistan. What Xi Jinping is pulling is nothing compared to the Yugoslav Wars, Burma, or what happened as a matter of course in the 19th century. When Saudi fundamentalists pissed off the Ottomans and sacked Karbala, killing 2000 people (hmmm), the Sultan sent his rival Muhammed Ali Pasha to go mess them up. He brought back the Saudi Emir and most of the Wahhabist clerics to Constantinople where they were all executed and their religious dogmas publicly chewed out The USA didn't do this after 9/11 but we were perfectly happy to mess up the Branch Davidians.

 

Tammany Hall used to have the Irish mob run polling places into the 20th century and elected gang members to congress.

 

Take any Martin Scorsese NYC crime flick minus guns (officially), people always trying to out f**k ya, add on a heavy dose of first/second generation immigrant mentality (Ed Koch and the Cuomos) on top of f**k those welfare leeches eating my tax money (Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton), City/Politics want your money for VIP access, banks like Chase trying to screw you over since you want to hide your money, and you will get a boss who is always on the move/never stops/talks super fast/know how to hustle/know how to rig the game for survival.

Trump is from the OG, a throwback from what I remember NYC to be. Really read thru his shit super quick back in 2016 since natives are good at reading shit, but he brought the classic NYC push into the election. Didn't really agree with him at all on a bigger federal government, but I admire the OG folks.

Only current OG NY person who is still in office is Andrew Cuomo. Note Cuomo is not part of the Progressive Left like AOC and those other guys.

They also used to buy Jewish voters back in the early 1900s. That's how the Jewish voters started their alliance with the Democrats.

 

lol... the rest of the world would have been delighted to see anus-mouth have slightly less time to shit on it.

But, even as an outsider, I can see that that impeachment was an ill-judged venture doomed to failure. Worst of all, it was about something that I'd guess doesn't bother the American people very much, because, as @purr1n keeps saying: a bit of wheeling and dealing? Doesn't everybody do it? From elder statesmen to barrow boys, deals get made, backs get scratched. It's surely at the core of every capitalist country, and many, many diplomatic negotiations.

To have any chance of success, they would have had to find something that deeply and seriously shocked American morals. Nobody did. And, "You're just disgusting," is not the basis for any sort of civil or criminal proceeding.

I want you to falsify electoral records so that I won, regardless of who else, catchable or not, probably is a good basis for some sort of prosecution. Plainly too late for impeachment: he's out anyway. But some sort of prosecution. But, in the post president-trump era, it will be minor news. Just part of the debris.

 

Bingo.

Except that's not what he said He was smarter than that. First he asserted that the process in Georgia failed (for which the Sec. of State of Georgia is responsible) and then has asked him "to find the votes". The facts don't support his first assertion (though there were failures as there always are, just not nearly enough) but since his request "to find votes" is premised on the first, him and his followers believe it is a perfectly reasonable request. In other words the left have to read into it the idea that he is asking for an illegal "over throw of the election". Perception is reality and all that.

I anticipate there will be an investigation, from multiple agencies and congress, but I don't think they will prosecute in the end. If they do it will be for naught, or rather it will only thrill the base of both parties and further alienate the middle and degrade what little political civility is left in this country.

 

Of course, according to me, he is criminally disgusting. But I don't make the laws of any country, much less one I've never even visited.

It is pretty obvious what he meant. Obvious enough for a court of American law? I've no idea.

The media has me understand that various organisations are lining up to put the guy in various courts. No actual list of all those maybes. I'm sure many will fizzle out when he is no longer at the centre of world attention. And, if enough of them are real and substantial, and do proceed, then this one is just another itch.

 

I can't believe these neckbeards got in Capitol Hill. I expect stronger looking folks, not folks who came out of their moms basement. I bet I can beat them up in a fight if I have to go toe to toe. These smucks would never survive NYC.

Uuuggghh, these guys aren't doing it in style. I expected more....

 

It's Y'allqaeda. These people came from the hills, not the basement.

 

Lmao, a coworker just looked up at me and said "Welp, they're storming the capitol now..."

All I could say was "Wat."

Incredible times were living in. I wonder what Trump will do.

This stuff will be fun to talk about in a couple of decades. The whole 4 year run has just been legendary. We are truly witnessing history in the making

 

A gun is too easy, a punch is more fulfilling. Back when I was a kid in NYC some jackass was harassing my dad from his car. So my dad went into the car that I was sitting in the back, took out a baseball bat and case after that idiot. As a kid I thought it was awesome.

There's rumors in my family that my dad was dirty....I never asked since I consider it none of my business.

Edit: Fine, here's the guns:

 

Looking at some of the pic's now. Yep, order needs to be restored by rough men who know how to stomp on someones neck, and if necessary shoot. Looks like at least one person was significantly hurt

That said I understand why congress and the authorities (i.e. capital police, etc.) are showing restraint - a large amount of vilolence is not really necessary as the fool's are their own undoing..

edit: I was wrong. Without the senate this election turned out to not be a conservative victory. Also, Cruz and these fools are going to get an election reform bill of some sort, but it will be one that furthers progressive goals because they won, and even conservatives like me will support some it because f**k GOP establishment aping real conservative/populist concerns/middle class concerns.

 

Is it worth it that a MAGA guy is sitting in Pelosi's desk? I dunno what to say, I really want to laugh but also this is just nuts.

 

He was smarter (or luckier) than that, even, he was talking about finding some of the many “fraudulent votes” he insists have been cast, not for new votes to be invented. Anyway trying to prosecute Trump will make a martyr of him and ensure he’s in the political spotlight forever.

I’m not really paying attention to the DC theater right now but from what little I’ve seen this seems like chickens coming home to roost. When we had months of political violence in cities this Summer politicians bent over backwards to appease those breaking the law (not the regular marchers obviously) rather than arresting them and restoring order. That set an unfortunate precedent for how people felt they can act when they don’t like something.