Discussion in 'Food and Drink' started by mitochondrium, Mar 14, 2020.
Nah, it is the best sign that your bread is not industrial fare. Such is Randy’s bread.
Adjusted recipe. This is the third one, second was a little small.
In the past month there have been a few batches of ciabatta, a go at bagels (with a bit too strong of a lye solution), and french bread. Also the house has gotten a 15x18x.375" baking steel for the oven...man that thing is heavy. Started a rye sourdough starter yesterday, we'll see how it goes...
welcome to the club have fun!
Pizza night, 2nd time that I made the dough. Just flour water oil salt and yeast.
Cheap and relatively easy
Used red pasta and Alfredo sauce. Mozzarella cheese. Lots of mushrooms they shrink a lot. Broccoli and meatballs. Added about a clove of garlic too
First time I rolled the dough too thin and this time it was too thick. Hopefully next time I'll get it right. Baked on a pizza stone
Pic of leftovers. Looked better out of the oven but was too busy eating to take a pic lol
Thanks! I think I was fortunate enough to have a severe case of beginner's luck but I don't care. Really pleased with the results. Used 250g bread flour, 50g spelt, and 25g medium rye with an 80% total hydration. Used a colander for proofing since I don't yet have a nice banneton. The spots are kinda fun anyway.
Unfortunately I can‘t See the picture
not sure what happened, was working yesterday i thought.
anyway, checked it on an incognito window and all is good, hopefully fixed
woah, that looks nice, I like the big pores, gives a nice texture. How do you get away with 80 % hydration (I guess that means the amount of water you add is 80 % of the weight of the dry stuff ) and your bread still retains its shape so nicely with those big pores? Ijust calculated, I also use 80 % hydration with roughly 60 % rye/40 % einkorn wheat (both wholegrain) and end up with smaller pores and flatter bread. Congrats!
Thanks! I've been following this technique.
You are correct about hydration being calculated based on a percentage of the flour. Starter is 20% and salt is 2%. Makes measuring and scaling the recipe easy.
With more whole grain flour it will be much harder to develop an open crumb, especially with rye which has so little gluten protein to be able to capture fermentation gases and steam during baking. The second loaf I baked definitely wasn't as nice. I think I under proofed a bit since it was a little denser in between the larger pockets that were still present. Have my third loaf going right now and planning to bake tomorrow for dinner. Hopefully better this time.
Based on my quick calcs, 80% water for the amounts below means 1625g of water.
Figured by calculating 325 is 20% of total.
Is that right?
Baker's Percentages are a little odd but start to make sense when you think about flour being the center of their universe. Where it gets more confusing is when you also have to consider the starter which is 50/50 flour/water, or as they say, 100% hydration. The formula I used called for 20% starter in relation to the amount of flour.
In other more simpler words, if a recipe formula has a total amount of flour of 1000g, then an 80% hydration dough would be made by using 800g of water. Further, if the formula also calls for 2% salt, then it needs 20g of salt.
Thanks fit the recipe. That explains where those nice pores come from. It is basically worked like a typical dough. I have tried that in the past (with less success than you). I am also a little bit lazy. That is why I prefer the way of the German Schwarzbrot, which I admit it is an acquired taste. No autolysis, no need to work (folding) etc. Luckily I like its taste very much. Yours looks like a perfect breakfast bread.
A traditional German rye is on my list to make. Would you be willing to share your recipe?
There's a bit of handling over a number of hours but really only about 30 minutes of actual work. It's nice being at home for work to be able to do these things, but this will likely only be a weekend thing when life returns to normal.
Thanks for the reply
Makes a lot more sense now lol
My white bread is about 70% hydration using that method.
You need a rye based sourdough starter (50:50) and a wheat based sourdough starter (100:50). I always use whole grain therefore I sometimes use a little more water. I always have around 50 g of each in the fridge. When starting I add about 220 g flour and water to the rye starter and keep it for about 12 h at room temperature. I also add 100 g of flour and 50 g of water to the wheat starter and likewise keep it for 12 h at room temperature. At the same time I prepare a “Brühstück” which is 70 g of coarsely ground rye 35 g of linseed and 35 g of some other seed (sunflower, squash, etc) with 20 g of salt on which you pour 280 g of boiling water (50:100). You keep that for 12 h, too. After said 12 h you put the „Brühstück, 150 g of the wheat sourdough and 440 g of the rye sourdough together in the bowl of your kitchen machine (kmix in my case) add 300 g of rye flour and wheat flour each together with 300 g of water (lukewarm). Then you mix (speed setting 1 for the kmix) for 7 min and again 7 min with speed setting 2-3. Fill it in 1 or 2 weed baskets of appropriate size and keep it at room temperature for 1 h then into the fridge for another 10 to 12 h. Place a container with water in your oven. Preheat to 250 C. Put the bread into the oven. I use two weed baskets, then I do 5 min @250 C with fan, so that the bread seizes quickly and retains its shape. Then another 20 min @250 C without fan ( top and bottom heat). Then take out the container with the water and set the temperature to 190 C, the temperature will fall slowly. Keep it in the oven for another 40 min. Then take it out and let it cool down on a grill. If you put all the dough in one bigger weed basket, you need to keep it in the oven for an additional 20 min. The “Brühstück” makes sure that the bread will not get dry for several days.
I only use organic whole grain flour, emmer or einkorn wheat and “Waldstaudenroggen” rye. These are very “old” grains because I do not like newer “inbred” sorts of grain. You may vary the rye/wheat ratio to your liking with more wheat you probably need a little less water.
PS I always use a pizza stone when baking bread
Wow. Vielen Dank @mitochondrium !
I've got a bit of work to do it looks like from this. Hopefully I can give this a go soon.
I wanted to send a belated thank you for posting this. I watch this video and looked at your modifications and tried it out and made some great bread. Since then I’ve done a little experimenting, and I’ve been using a variation of my own. It’s half the size of this recipe just because I can’t eat that much bread before it starts to go stale (as much as I love it). I also do the whole thing in my stand mixer with the dough hook to save a little bit of labor and cleanup.
350 g bread flour
10 g salt
1/4 teaspoon bread machine yeast
255 g water
Makes 2 loaves.
I use the same rise times, but do the rise in the stand mixer's bowl, and then use the stand mixer dough hook for each fold as well. I’m lazy. I also form the loaves up in a baguette pan instead of a flat pan.
Post up some pics.
Pictures, as requested.
It's a wet dough. Using the stand mixer means I don't have to clean up as much or work very hard. This is just after the last fold before the final rest and shaping.
The formed loaves go in at 450 F, with a tray of boiling water sitting on the baking stone underneath. Deep slashes seem to work better than shallow.
The finished loaves, after about 20 minutes in the oven, with one turn halfway through.
I like just eating the bread with butter.
But this is arguably better. Prosciutto and mozzarella, inspired by my favorite sandwiches from a cafe in my hometown.
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