BWC (Big Woofer Club): Why Big Woofers Matter

I was mostly referring to this: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...-and-recommendations.4062/page-72#post-312152

That said, and where I agree with you purr1n, is the best way to learn this stuff is by doing. All this typing is no substitute for hands on experience. I'm going to buy a DATS v3 and start measuring stuff. Measure crossover components, calculate group delay and phase shift then incorporate driver parameters.

This is false. If you do an impulse test you will see far better results with lower moving mass.

 

Woofers in a 2 way loudspeaker are tasked with producing a complex waveform. The spectrum of which, contains some very intricate maneuvers. This requires the woofer to move very fast.

 

It all depends on your goals. If you engineer a system where a woofer only has to fill in 80hz and below, it makes sense to use something bigger because it will be better suited to match the output levels of the other drivers. Everything is a compromise. If you're trying to pressurize a room, it's different from trying to accurately portray the sound of a drum.

 

sorry for shitposting but this is all I can think of anytime someone says fast bass

 

in general, large woofers are hi-eff but wont go really low. if you need 25hz to 80hz, a couple of smaller woofers could work better then 15". the advantage of 15" is not the low bass but the mid and upper bass:. do you have experience with big woofer vs smaler woofers? ime, accurately reproducing a drum is the forte of big woofers.

 

That doesn't make any sense. It's like asking if a Ford F150 is better around the track than a Lotus Elise.

Bigger car with a bigger engine is still not gonna corner like a Lotus. Bigger woofer with an insane motor is still not gonna handle the nuances like something lightweight.

In my own home? None.

I have a better idea. I will DIY a big woofer project for myself. The goal will be to have faster, tighter and more articulate bass than my bookshelves. If you know of easily (and reasonably priced) accessible parts, let me know and I will get started. I'll even make a thread of my progress while I'm building them to give some content to SBAF. And this being the speaker advice and recommendations thread, I feel this request is appropriate here.

I'm not at all denigrating people who have big woofers. I am merely clearly up misconceptions regarding smaller drivers.

It's not so black and white to say bigger woofer=moar better. That is what I have learned recently. My whole preconceived notion was that small woofers are gonna suck balls. I bought into the whole BWC long before I started getting some speakers.

But my discovery on a couple bookshelves completely floored me and I wanted to know why they sounded so huge and good. I've reached out to a few guys who engineer and design speakers that have helped me understand better. And I've been doing a lot of reading and watching various audio engineering content to get a better grasp on loudspeakers in general. (Also detoured into the depths of digital audio like DACs, filters, clocks, etc.) I claim no expertise or any kind of hands-on experience. I'm just stating what I understand and of course that understanding is always subject to revision.

 

@RobS stop being a f'ing idiot. Stop perseverating on fast bass. Bass woofers should be bigger than your dick. There’s no such thing as a fast 50 hz or 60 hz bass. Ever heard a double kick pedal with a drum tuned that low? Double kick drums? It turns into a f'ing continuous sine wave. Wait you haven’t because you’ve never payed attention to Cream, Jazz, or metal with real drums. You listen to f'ing slow 50hz sine waves, aka 808s, in modern pop that is compressed and distorted so much that the vocals buzz and the recording cackles like grease in a frying pan. All the double kicks are tuned high or high pass filtered.

Slayer is high pass filtered and didn’t use samples. Most death metal is high pass filtered even higher. The first Morbid Angel didn’t use samples like their other albums. Why are the kicks high pass filtered and compressed? So they don’t become a f'ing sine wave:


the only reason some small woofers sound better is because they are better in the speaker you need at your listening position due to crossovers, baffle issues, listening distance, and sometimes using ridiculous midrange drivers and tweeters like atc where the bigger woofer (cleanest shit around and no it won’t play 20hz to tickle your prostrate) basically only blends 10 feet behind where the 9” one blends. These are not normal hifi speakers with slow Overdamped midrange domes. ATC’s SL dome weighs more than your speakers due to huge f'ing motors and magnets necessitating a certain baffle layout.

None of your speakers are like that. They were all two ways that you constantly flipped without learning their sound or just buying something solid with no treble for playing call of duty and jerking off to Ariana Grande on your computer.

 

ok, so you were floored with 7" bookshelf, but have never owned big speakers in your room. Its all relative, 7" bass can be impressive next to 5" speakers. comparing a 12" to a 7" will be incredibly obvious which bass you prefer.

I wont even try to explain the Ford comparison. big woofers are often faster then smaller woofers, and will do bass nuance and definition better as well.

ive had 5", 6.5", 8", 10", 12" and 15" based speakers in my own room. the bass quality increases as the woofer diameter increase.

 

Lol you have no idea what I listen to besides my fondness for female pop singers. You also have no idea what I have heard, either.

Yes it is interesting how I constantly flipped audio gear that you recommended. Hmm.

 

You didn’t buy what I conditionally recommended. You bought other shit with the same brand name and weren’t happy with some very good for what they are, big two way speakers.

 

Dude it's a long list of stuff. Not just speakers either.

 

It’s pretty obvious what I like, what I have actually bought and liked enough not to ditch, and what I will buy. Use your f'ing brain and stop buying things unheard. Stop being a retard.

 

I used my brain by not following your advice anymore and it was the best decision I have made. I've been a lot happier ever since. I haven't had an itch to ditch or upgrade any of my components now. But that's my own fault. I shouldn't have taken you talking out of your ass so seriously.

And with that, I am out. I'll reply if purr1n gets back to me on a starter BWC DIY project.