General Speaker Advice and Recommendations

Discussion in 'Speakers' started by shotgunshane, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. murphythecat

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    im surprised. I would have thought the JBL TOTL stuff would be incredible. Some with tons of experience will say nothing touch jbl everest or 4365/4367/M2/ or avant guarde ect. I guess ill have to audition them as there's truly contradictory experience about horns.

    as for the genelec big monitors, sure they are great. I have genelec 1037b but they dont quite match the harbeth shl5+ in the mids/treble, but the bass is excellent and the mids/treble are good, not great though. pick your poison?

    im curious, what are the modern speakers youd recommend under 10k?
     
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    @murphythecat They are incredible. You'll note neither Psalm or @Hrodulf have heard them.

    Like I said I listened to multi million dollar rigs all over the world. I would take these JBL over any focal, yg, Wilson, revel, magicko, kef, klipsch etc that I've heard.
    Most multi driver floor standers suck, and the monitors these guys love are accurate but they lack presence, impact and are crap with vocals, cymbals and any horned instrument.

    The tech on the newer jbls is really top notch, the cd and woofer are highly evolved from the 70s jbls speakers. And those 70s jbls speakers still blow away most of the modern megabucks loud speakers today.

    Less armchair engineering, more impressions.
     
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    I'm looking for some bookshelfs like this. I don't care about accurate. I want that presence and impact. Dynamic and lively. Like, my fav headphones are the TH900. I don't care that they're V-shaped. They're crisp and punchy and vivid. What do you recommend? Amping on a BHA-1+Vidar. I plan on getting a Saga when I can find one in black.

    Width is somewhat of a concern. I'm smashing them horizontally into my TV stand. Ideally I'd have less than 7" total, but I can make it work if the edge of the cabinet to the opposite edge of woofer is less than 7", because I can take the TV off, disassemble the glass and drop it in from the top, but there's a metal bar that sits at 7", and I don't want it to block the woofer at all. The bottom shelf is 7 3/4", but I feel like having them raised on the second shelf would sound better.
     
  4. purr1n

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    LP6 have hiss worse than the JBLs. Instead of being audible a few inches away, LP6 hiss is audible at my chair behind my desk. LP6 also are not as linear. There is a slight suckout in the lower mids / emphasis in middle mids. Bass quality is inferior / one-note compared to the smaller JBL 5. Finally imaging sucks. The differences are not huge. But the hiss could be a showstopper. Also, wife said meh when she heard the bass. She specifically requested a few YouTube videos to better assess the bass.

    LP6 is nice, but ultimately I think it's like Chinese stealth fighter design where inferior parts, lack of money, and partial implementation of the nuances prevent successful copy of the real deals. There are some great things like super adjustability for boundary loading, bass, and treble trim - but these were outside the range to correct the slightly "off" mids.

    Good value deal for LP6. But GREAT value deal can be obtained for fifty to one hundred dollars more. Consider Mackie (maybe @ultrabike can attest to hiss). I like the current Mackie lineup and didn't think I heard any hiss in the production bays with them that I visited. Class internal AB amp too instead of D?

    Curious if JBL's revamped monitor lineup got rid of hiss. Might need to visit Guitar Center.

    P.S. Don't ask me how I know all this about LP6. One day everything will be revealed. My knowledge will be buried here for a while. I shall say no more until a few months time.
     
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    Local dealer was really selling me (admitedly) on active SCM40A but interestingly had JBLs in his home...They also carry the Synthesis line. Should be a fun demo day
     
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    I heard the 705 very briefly. Yeah it was obviously better sounding and slightly less lofi garbage than the 305 and better constructed and everything but it still shares many of the same issues, the tweeter still hisses, and it's just didn't seem very good at what a smallish 2 way speaker with a five inch woofer can physically be good at: mids and treble detail. It's just not good and not cheap. JBL just sucks except for making cheap stuff now and building big slammy stuff that hits hard and that's about it.

    I wonder if the 306 is not as boxy Garbo as the og 305 without getting LOL WTF like the 308
     
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    Anyone heard the Unison Research Max 1?
     
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    There's a passive SCM40 on CAM... this speaker is high on my wish list. I really like my SCM20, and the SCM40 is the largest model that's still sealed.
     
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    LOL, they are not that bad. Good for desktop movies, YouTube, PornHub, basic post-production (video editing) work, etc.
     
  10. ultrabike

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    From memory (Guitar Center), the MR5s hiss less. But if one puts ones ear about 1.68517" from the MR5 drivers the still hiss a little. It does not bother me. I tend not to put my face < 6.58187" from the drivers. On average I lay down about 3.51855 to 4.15181 meters away (They are in may bedroom).

    Also, I don't feel 2-way w 5" drivers can only do mids n treble. They can do bass, just not sub-bass. For that, one needs at least certain 7" drivers on a large cabinet, or much larger for high sensitivity on a 3 or more -way.

    So in a nutshell, the 305s hiss a bit. The MR5s hiss less. I like the sound of the MR5s better. They tend to be a little warmer. And I do mean a little. Both are what I consider neutral monitors.
     
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    Many years ago I did hear the Mackie HR series next to the new MR series. To my recollection the HR were immediately discernible as cleaner in the midbass.
     
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    The HR series probably carries higher quality components than the MR series.

    All MR and HR Mackie designs have a controlled directivity tweeter waveguide resembling the Dayton ND25FW-4.

    However, as far as the tweeter goes, the MR series uses silk while the HR series uses titanium. For the bass, the MR series uses a port while the HR series uses a passive radiator. The low frequency drivers are not the same, nor are the amplifier and crossover sections the same.

    The Mackie MR series is probably best compared against the JBL LSR3 series. The Mackie HR series is probably best compared against the JBL LSR7 series (due to price and features).

    Mackie has an XR series which unlike the MR and HR series, uses a larger port (diameter and length), class-D amplification, and a Kevlar woofer. It resembles the HR series more. It's more pricy than the MR, but more affordable than the HR. The tweeter is aluminum instead of titanium.

    Note Mackie's focus is powered monitors. JBL does monitors, but it also does high sensitivity large speakers of all kinds.
     
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    Funny because I got a good listen to the cheap Mackies yesterday while I was visiting a small production office. The Mackies seem to have a more lively sound. Probably because of Class AB amps - they haven't been class D'd and DSP'd to death like the JBLs. The JBL 305 series bass does seem to be tighter to comparable Mackie (then again Mackie seems overall cheaper - no "JBL" premium), but differences don't seem to be huge. I'll need to get these in front of me to assess soundstage. The JBLs with their super duper stealth fighter waveguides were big winners with imaging precision. IME, simple waveguides almost always diffuse up imaging.
     
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    For bass, I just crossed down to a Dayton Sub-1000 ($100 on sale) @ 80 Hz. So I haven't been listening to the MR5s down to 50 Hz in a while.

    I thought my wife was not going to like the JBL waveguide. I was wrong. Once she saw the Batman-ness of the JBL waveguide she told me she liked it, and I palmed face myself hard for not guessing what she preferred for the nth time.

    The JBL will have a bit more dispersion which can contribute to the better imaging. That's what I remember actually when I listened to them side by side. The MR5s do have a waveguide. But it seems it's more to protect against diffraction than to perform a Justice League job on dispersion (they use 1" tweeters). However, these are in my bedroom, and our closets have mirrors which reflect sound like a boss. Imaging is not bad but the room is not optimal.

    Differences are indeed not huge. I had to single out these at Guitar Center for longer than 30 seconds to decide (it took me about 10 sec to kick other similar products out of the podium).
     
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    Why doesn't JBL put controls on the front of their monitors anymore? My JBL LSR 4326P are so convenient with the controls on the front to change volume and input, along with fun lights, and they link together with ethernet cable, so I can use the buttons on one to control a whole 7.1 system of them. Also works with a remote.
     
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    Because those were higher end and before the days of cost cutting from intense competition.
     
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    Have you owned/heard the LSR-305 yet? I owned the 4326P's for quite awhile... the lights, controls and RMC features are nifty, but the 305 is the better monitor IMO. The 4326P drove me nuts for mixing because they had a weirdly squashed/honky midrange that made everything sound like it was run through a compressor (could be the DSP or poor AD/DA is to blame). The 305 is more transparent with better imaging and soundstage depth. I seem to recall you getting a heck of a deal on the 4326P's (as usual); if I were you I'd sell them off for a nice profit, get the 305's (or 308's depending on your room size) and put the extra money towards underwear and decent quality booze.
     
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    No, never heard the LSR-305. I did get the pair for $60, so a great deal, though not in the best looking condition with the rubberized front part removed. Ill probably just stick with these for the convenience of front controls, no hiss due to having a class a/b amp, integrated dac, and everything else just makes them very convinent for my setup, and they sound good.
     
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    $60 is a hell of a deal, can't argue with that. Maybe you should ditch the whole acoustics thing and sell courses on how to hack Craigslist.
     
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    BTW guys. When checking powered monitors, make sure the tone and trim controls are not way out of whack.

    I remember a particular monitor sounded like a reference for all things that a speaker should never do. Exponentially so. Found out some rando monkeyed around with the tone controls. After I adjusted those, the monitor started to sound more like a speaker and less like an accident.

    The good (or bad) news is that monitors these days don't let folks get too crazy with tone controls.
     

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