@Hands measurements show them forward in the upper mids and that is how Hands hears them. That is why when I got them in and couldn't hear this forwardness in the upper midrange, I was confused because I follow along with him pretty well. I believe you and also am not sure what discs etc these have on them. Truthfully speaking I didn't hear a huge dip in the upper midrange, I just didn't hear them forward and a little relaxed. Then after seeing them measured in front of me and listening to some guitars on it compared to the AR H1 I thought what was measured matched what I heard with that dip there. Either way it is not as the Elear so I fixed my post above and still sounds within the bounds of what I think is acceptable for me to enjoy them a lot.