Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by AllanMarcus, Jul 3, 2016.
“Functionality”? I can’t even get my Tidal library into roon. I think that’s a bit too mild a word.
Sorry, missed that point. I never had a problem with that.
It's the UI, the networking/RAAT, the "sit back and let us do the smart digital chain thing for you", the music library organization that works for most (but not all of course) - it's all these things put together that Roon does that make it a good product. For me, I always point to the intuitive and "it just works" DSP integration. Sure if you are a "power user" level DSP player you can find plenty to complain about (e.g. that stupid slider for global level), but for most it just works.
Conversely, I don't understand what you're saying should happen. If you've added an album or song to your library, it shows up in Roon. If you favorited an artist in Tidal, it should... automatically add every single album they've done to your Roon library? That seems pretty wild and messy.
I used interface too narrowly. I agree with what you are saying. It is a package of services that takes content from a variety of sources and provides a uniform UI and experience to apply to a variety of hardware platforms. It prevents all of these content and hardware companies from having to "re-invent the wheel" and gives the job to a company that does wheels for a living. We can argue about whether they are any good at it, but as I see it, they saw a need and are attempting to fill it. I'm pleased that they did.
I hope Roon will never do something like that.
That "feature" would make it entirely unusable for something like classical music. Pick Rostropovich and get 200 of those, 170 you probably do not need. Now you have a job to do: remove mono from "Melodia", remove re-issues etc..
Roon manages a collection of albums. Some of those are "real," stored in your local file systems, some of those are "virtual," stored and streamed from Tidal or Qobuz. Albums link to other objects -- composers, performers, compositions, labels, ... Roon has never supported, and I doubt it will ever support, non-album objects that are not linked to an album object in the user's Roon library. You may not like it, but it is entirely consistent. Roon was not designed to be a mere veneer on Tidal or any other external service. It baffles me that anyone would get angry at a design decision for a product they are considering. Heck, there's lots of furniture out there that seems ugly or wrongly designed to me. So, I don't buy it. End of story.
Tidal artist favorites are just that, it doesn’t automatically add albums to your collection any more than favoriting a playlist adds those artists or albums. Roon seems built around an album-centric music collection type interface but that concept doesn’t work as well for a streaming service (to be fair I don’t think anyone has really nailed a great streaming service interface).
People seem to rave about Spotify, but I’ve never used it (no lossless tier).
Lossless doesn't matter in your car!
Also 320kbps Ogg is not amazing but good enough to tell if you like the album enough to buy it.
"Lossless Spotify" = using the free tier for discovery, then buying from Bandcamp (or on CD).
Spotify has an edge in user content (e.g. sharing playlists) because of the free tier, and is trying to corner podcasting, but the interface to music is more or less the same thing as everyone else.
Figuring out how to elegantly connect one person to a catalog of 50M or whatever tracks isn’t an easy problem to solve and I don’t know if it’s even possible. How satisfied I am with a music service depends on how adroitly they surface interesting new music to listen to and whether their catalog contains music I want to hear that I discover by other means. I think the next step is anticipating what you want to hear by context, e.g. what you want to hear at any moment is conditioned on what else you’re doing, where you are, who you’re with, etc., but that means giving up privacy.
I have only one wishlist for Roon
Ability to stream my music stored in Roon server when I'm outside using Roon app
Well it seems Roon has forgiven me for cancelling my trial umpteen years ago. It took about 10 minutes to reaffirm that I am way too geeky to have some prettified UI obscure my collection for me. Oh well, it was worth a shot, but (for me) certainly not worth the money. Not even close.
I added a feature request to the roon forums to solve my problem. I doubt they'll make a change, but we'll see.
There’s a bunch of roon fanboys trying to downplay the issue and make me out to be an outlier. If you any of you would like to see a checklist of
So you can choose which are added from Tidal to the roon library and which are not, please post your approval of my feature request in my thread.
There's nothing wrong with being an outlier, nor any need to demean those who use Roon differently as "fanboys." Have you considered that the negativity you have been bringing to this discussion washes back onto you?
Aw come on I’m just trying to make roon better and work for me. That’s it. From my point of view what they’re doing is completely senseless and has big consequences for me. That’s it. So it’s negative. Some things are.
Shouting against injustice is good, and if well organized can have an effect. Shouting against software that does not meet our desires is ridiculous, and backfires.
I’m not shouting chill buddy I’m sick of you disliking posts. I was trying to rally people outside the roon core fan base on the roon forum who are responding and for whom roon’s current system works for. roon watches the feature request forums so the roon fanboys from the roon forums all saying it’s fine how it is isn’t a real representation of the users out there.
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