Shitty Hyundai Dealers In Texas

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  1. Greg121986

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    Stealerships can get fucked. I looked around earlier this year for Hyundai and Kia and found the same BS with $3K interior protection packages and $2K exterior protection packages. I wrote the dealer a nasty email and left a fun Google review to share my experience. I ended up buying a GMC Terrain which is BORING AF but it's actually pretty OK considering the hugely competitive segment and lack of actual availability. IMO this is a bad time to care at all about cars since there is going to be a massive shift in the market within just a couple years (EVs, Hybrids, all new platforms, etc.).

    Regarding the Camaro, get one 100%. Especially in Texas where I assume the roads are good and you can manage the 1LE package on public roads. It is such an awesome daily. I had a 2017 2SS with magneride. I put 60K miles on it in 3 years and I've regretted selling it every day since. Drivers in Detroit are pieces of shit and it is miserable around here if you care about your car. But, that car was such an amazing experience to drive every day. The inconvenient visibility is absolutely not a problem in the real world. It is a car that you become very well acquainted with after just a bit of seat time and the "visibility issue" becomes something that only a journalist thinks about because they get paid to create controversy.
     
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    Let's hope it's better than the F22 series 230. F22 240 and M2 actually reduced a lot of the "modern bmw" issues in terms of the drive, but they didn't do that in the 228/230 at all IMO. There's also the issue of more expensive insurance vs the other above options (yes, an extra $4k over several years isn't a huge deal in the big picture, but $4k is $4k). On the flip side, B48 / B58 powered F22 have proven to be pretty reliable and are not the typical bmw endless money pit.

    Also yes, Camaro SS = fun. I'm sure most people post in this thread have already driven one so can agree there are definite issues like lacking interior refinement / just feels cheeeeepp inside relative to the price of the car, layout of stuff / UX could be much better, a lot of other little things just weren't properly thought through (or got cost cutted down by GM), etc. but end of the day, it's fun and while still being practical enough to daily. It's also much more comfortable for people 5' 10"+ / 180lb+ vs most of the above options - as much as I enjoy a lot of the above japanese cars, even most of the ones that aren't are big enough just don't have amerifat ergos for daily driving. Most Subaru and the Accord + Mazda 6 are good exceptions but they not in question here.
     
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    Test drove a 19 Veloster N a few months back. Was fun to drive, however the seat was super uncomfortable for me, the bolstering was too narrow. Suspension was really stiff on anything except comfort mode on regular back roads. Otherwise I enjoyed it, but not quite what I was looking for.

    Ended up putting an order in for a 23 BRZ at MSRP. Coming in the next couple of weeks. My brother has the new GR86 and it’s a blast to drive.

    MSRP dealers are out there. One of the Honda dealers near me was only allocated two 23 Type Rs for this year and they are selling them at MSRP.
     
  4. purr1n

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    The BRZ is super comfortable with a compliant ride, while having barely any body roll and pulls close to 1G with those not-sticky tires. I was amazed by this. Plus great driving dynamics (RWD) only bettered by a mid-engined car. The engine is slung low and pushed back, you sit low, all the weight is low. It's like a go-cart. It's was fun to kick out the rear tires steering with the gas - something I wouldn't feel confident about with most other RWD cars. The new models address the 3k-4k RPM torque dip, which was super annoying.
     
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    It's always about references right? Same as audio. Some thoughts after time behind the Veloster N, from my own POV:
    1. The ride is fine, even at the harshest Sport+ setting. The Sport+ setting does get bumpy over the bigger bumps, but generally more comfortable than the Jeep Willys / Rubicon with the stiffer shocks and solid axles, not to mention infinitely more predictable. Let's say at max stiffness, it's easier on the bones than the Evo 7/8/9 (on stock suspension) and on par with the Porsche Cayman circa 2015 (I don't know if Caymans today ride better). I don't know why audio magazines don't bitch about how bumpy the Cayman's ride but hey, Porsches seem to get a free ride. The Comfort setting was too floaty for my taste. I leave the setting in-between because lots of potholes in Corpus, especially in the industrial areas or the neighborhoods on the "wrong side of the tracks".
    2. The 19" wheels are dumb. The tires at 235/35 have barely any sidewall! I don't know how the current Civic Type R has 20" wheels. After I wear down the stock Pirellis bald, going to ditch the 19" rims with 18" rims and get some Michelin PS4S rubber. Kids are too obsessed with big rims today. I prefer smaller lighter rims with some sidewall.
    3. The steering is numb. This is just how it goes with today's electric assist steering. My references for good steering feel are BMW E36, Honda CRX (fully manual - no hydraulic assist), and Evo 7/8/9. I'm not sure if I am a fan of the computerized "smart" steering assist that Hyundai has implemented. It feels too much like a gaming steering wheel with feedback. The GR86 steering feel is better, but not by much. I like heavy steering so I maxxed this setting out.
    4. The GR86 is more a driver's car where one feels at one with the car. There's more responsiveness and feedback with the GR86. The Veloster N isolates the driver somewhat. It's still involving and responsive though, just not to the level of the GR86 or Evo. This isn't necessarily a bad thing because my wife hated the GT86 cars. She felt it was too much - an assault on the senses. I get the feeling the Veloster N has softer bushings all around.
    5. The visibility in the front 180 degree arc is excellent. Rear visibility is complete shit out of that small hatch window. Blind spot visibility on drivers side is excellent. Blind spot on passenger side is meh, hampered by the B pillar because of the rear passenger side door. But this is what the blind-spot sensors are for.
    6. The DCT is amazeballs. Seamless shifts during normal or even spirited driving. It's like "Oh wow, it shifted five gears already? When did that happen?" This is what we get with two clutches and an automatic manual. Only by smashing the pedal does one get the lurch between upshifts. I've heard people bitch about this, but people are dumb. Even with the transmission set to Sport+, I don't think it's aggressive enough. I'd rather take a strong lurch forward from 1-2 and 2-3 than a pause. Not having a torque converter is different in that it does not feel like an automatic. It feels more like a manual, but a manual that instantaneously shifts without a break in power delivery. As I said, it's an automatic manual. Strange thing: Hyundai built in a creep to mimic automatics with torque converters. I wonder if there is a way to turn this off.
    7. The DCT (heavier than the manual transmission) puts some extra weight in front. Although Hyundai has adjusted suspension geometry and has the trick electronic LSD, the car does feel front heavy. At least it doesn't feel top heavy! Turn-in isn't as immediate compared to the even the RWD Jeep Wrangler! While there is just a tiny hint of torque steer while mashing the pedal mid-turn, there's still that typical funky transition from initial turn-in to mid-turn. This is probably me trying the drive the car like a RWD than a FWD. I realized I can really put some left-foot braking to work here.
    8. Broad torque curve with fast spin-up on the small turbo. The Evo 7/8/9 took years to spin up the turbo (even the stock turbo). It's not monsterish acceleration and highway passing like the V8 Camaros, Mustangs, and Chargers/Challengers, that can do 12 second 1/4mi times. Will look into downpipes, intakes, and tunes to get a bit more pep. The Veloster N DCT gets its acceleration from the seamless shifting and continuous power delivery, not by snapping our necks back.
    9. The back passenger-side door that exists only on the right side is funky. As a result, the sole driver's side door is longer than the passenger front side door. Personally I think it's neat because I can pick up an extra kid or two from school without lifting the front seat forward to get into the back seats. Also hatch for the win. I can stuff my speaker projects in the back and haul them to friends' houses.
    10. Seats are awesome and fit me perfectly. 32" waist and 44" chest. Should fit most Asians. Seats are racing type with side bolsters and on the stiffer side. I've always been fine with these kinds of seats even on long high-speed drives.
    11. The car will retard timing when suddenly lifting during acceleration with crackles and pops. I don't get this effect often because I tend to drive smoothly. Even with the exhaust setting on loudest, it's really not that loud. A Charger 392 V8 is frightening loud upon startup in the morning - with the rumbling heard hundreds of yards away when I came home at night from work. It is however more grunty than the wimpy Type R exhaust. I wish there were a roll-coal setting for use against Teslas.
    12. Brake pedal very fast. I was a little bit unprepared for this, but got used to it. I read that the car knows when you lift and may be de-accelerating, so it squeezes the pads in a little bit in expectation of us stepping on the brakes. Neat.
    13. Still sick from flu (but recovering) today so decided to do a largely paperless pickup with CarMax. Great service, no hassle, no drive 200 miles to some dealership that will play games. Did a quick inspection to make sure there no evidence of intake mods, other dumb mods, piggyback controllers, etc. Prior one owner (in CA) just did minor cosmetics: painted the silver H black (totally fine because I would have done this myself) and added carbon front splitter lip add-on (which I am sure I will destroy after a year). Found out that the splash shield under the motor was missing a few of the retainer clips which the CarMax techs promptly fixed. $33k for a 2021, not bad considering no games and no travel for pickup.
    14. Addition of this car did jack with respect to raising insurance rates. Adding the teen driver to the prior two cars we already owned increased rates about x10 more. It's still a relatively inexpensive four-banger, not a super high HP V8. Will have to wait until the kids get out of the house, or pay for their own insurance, for the high HP V8.
    15. Texas Hyundai dealerships within a 200 miles radius keep calling me. I guess it's end of the month. I keep ghosting them so they continue to waste their time. They can go f**k themselves because nothing is preventing them from sending me a written quote that is reasonable. Assholes.
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    Haha. Spider web plot custom settings. I like the things Hyundai has been doing.

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    Obligatory CarMax Photo. Sticker on driver side of windshield is from California saying that this car causes cancer.

     
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    I heard an ad in the car this morning that made me think of this thread. The Moritz Kia dealership up here in DFW was advertising "no market adjustment" on the radio.

    Glad you got a car you like without the dealership hassle.
     
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    I’ve given up on dealerships. Bought my last car from Carvana and I was really pleased with the transaction.
     
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    Technically truth, but effectively lies! What's the VIP package? A blow job?

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    No doubt there are good dealerships out there and if we have established relationships, the process is easy. The problem is that there is no guarantee that my buddy Rod, finance manager at the local Jeep dealership, will continue to be there. In the meantime, as dealerships continue to treat people like shit, emboldened by the supply chain after effects from COVID, they're just building up bad karma. Who knows, maybe one day Carvana, Vroom, and CarMax figure out a way to sell new cars too.
     
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    Ok my Korean friends, that means @ChaChaRealSmooth, @tommytakis, @Vtory, and a few others.

    How does one correctly pronounce Hyundai? I believe "Samsung" is fairly accurate, at least from a white man point of view, as long as we don't draw out the vowels like a midwesterner (my wife), e.g. Saaaamsuuuuuung, but the keep the vowels short and know that the a is pronounced "ah".

    What about Hyundai? I hear dumbass shit like Hi-Uuuun-Day (British variant), I am sure will make one of your dads strangle someone. In the USA, it's commonly Hyun-Die. However, it's my understanding that it's a quite simply Hyun-day, although there's a bit of a t in the d, or shorted d in day. I also wonder if there are region variants and dialects that would pronounce this slightly differently.

    I figure saying Hyun-day is close enough for an American.

    I mean get annoyed when people butcher Szechwan as Sesh-won. The best is Szechwan Teriyaki sauce.
     
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    @purr1n look too much AZN with that polo shirt. Blend in, use regular t-shirt with a TX theme shirt. I know you can do it.
     
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    I was due for a meeting with the CIO in about an hour. Some dress down and disheveled look is OK with video calls in 2022, but I wasn't to look like a jackass during Zooms/Teams calls with senior management. After you reach a certain level in corporate America, you got to dress the part. It's about imparting and commanding respect.

    P.S. I can still conduct my calls in my boxer underwear.
     
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    hi-uuuuunn-die is my favorite, but your last suggestion is correct, hyun-day based on what you wrote is correct.
     
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    Fine you are forgiven, since I do something similar on my job video calls. But if it wasn't for the job related stuff, I would smack you. :p

    Does Hyundai/Kia still do the ten year warranty due to their cars keep going into the shop? Or their quality really gotten near Japanese level? I might help get GF get a newer Kia Soul or a cheap Rio for a possible next car.
     
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    I usually wear my ZMF T-shirts thanks to @zach915m or Schiit T-shirts or cheap printed Ts from Old Navy. A minority of local Christians have expressed the potential of Schiit gear to be offensive to them.
     
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    I really wanna wear my animu/weebaboo shirts on my video conference calls, but I have standards I need to met. So I do a step above my other coworkers and get the corporate polos ons.
     
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    It was my understanding that it's 5yr/60k for the full bumper to bumper warranty. This is why I went with a used 2021 instead of a 2020 (I put on very little mileage). I believe the powertrain is still 10/100k. This is USA. However, lots of electronic gizmos on modern cars, including the active suspension, "iPad" screen, which aren't part of the powertrain.
     
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    Yeah, that's good enough, I think.
    More accurately, the last vowel sound is /æ/ rather than /ey/ tho.
     
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    This is correct.

    My dad was once corrected by a white guy who worked at the dealership that the pronunciation was "hon-dai." Needless to say, my dad proceeded to Asian man troll him to death. Ended up getting a great deal.
     
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    I just read this
    https://www.npr.org/sections/money/...erships-and-the-shady-economics-of-car-buying

    “…excessive price gouging sours consumers on not just a particular dealership, but the car brand as a whole.

    At least some automakers know this. Earlier this year, Hyundai Motor Company sent a letter to its dealerships urging them to end deceptive practices, such as advertising a low price online and then charging a much higher price when customers go into the store. The company complained that sky-high markups were "damaging our brands' long-term ability to capture new customers and retain loyal ones."”
     
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    Hahahaha. Hon-Dai. If I were Korean, I'd go into a murderous rage.

    hyeondae is probably the best way to write it.
     

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