Turntable advice

Discussion in 'Vinyl Nutjob World: Turntable and Related Gear' started by Falcor, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. ogodei

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    @wbass , thats an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze which is still freakishly expensive to repair unfortunately. Thats the major drawback to MC carts, you cant just insert a new cantilever and stylus. My own fault though so I cant complain about it. Gives me an excuse to slot in some different carts for a while, prob good for me.

    @Biodegraded, there's definitely a darkened area on the tip of the stylus but I always took it as unpolished metal. The scope doesn't have enough resolution to exactly indicate if its metal or some thing on the cart but scrubbing with enzyme cleaner never took it off. So practically what am I supposed to do then? Scrub hard enough to break something ? o_O

    One thing with the Zerodust, it builds up dirt and oil on it fast if you dont keep the lid closed and clean it often. So that dirt and oil could get on the cart, or if you used soap to clean it & that could transfer as well.
     
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    Gah, sorry about that. Yeah, I recently set up my Koetsu Black (with some help from someone more experienced), and the first thing I ended up doing was bouncing it across a record. Luckily, it's playing fine.

    Analog: music listening made hard.

    Gotta say, though, the Koetsu sounds damned good.
     
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    Haven't made it into the Koetsu's yet, they certainly look nice.

    Ortofon's repair time frame is estimated at 4 to 6 months currently, which in effect means "we have no idea how long it'll take." They offer a trade in service, I was able to get a new one for $1600 which isn't much more than the cost of the repair + shipping.

    On a related note they seem to be low on inventory in the U.S. Production issues at the Denmark factory maybe?
     
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    Sorry about the cartridge. The trade in seems like a good deal. Just in case, I’ve used both Soundsmith and VAS to retip (though I never had an Ortofon). Soundsmith may still have a backlog. Both did a great job. Soundsmith is a much bigger operation. Plenty of reviews of both on various forums.
     
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    Has anybody tried the magic eraser method for stylus cleaning? Option 3 here:

    https://uturnaudio.com/pages/how-to-clean-your-stylus

    Seems to work ok for me, but I haven't put the microscope on my stylus since first doing it (non-detachable headshell). @ogodei , if you haven't sent the busted-cantilever cart away yet, you could try this on the diamond to see if it gets rid of the black stuff. I've found it's ok to gently drag the stylus across the eraser, rather than just dropping it.
     
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    I have been using the Mr Clean eraser for .... years? not sure when I had read about it but it has been a very long time.
     
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    Seems like the worry with magic eraser is if the stylus somehow picked up a piece of it and deposited it on the record. Not sure if that is a likely scenario if you are just lowering the stylus into it like an Onzow.

    The makers of Tru-Lift, IntegrityHifi, make something called Tru-Kleen that you put blu-tak on one side and magic eraser on the other. A fancy $200 holder of $5 stuff. https://www.integrityhifi.ca/tru-kleen
     
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    Sure, you want to brush/blow the stylus off carefully afterward.
    Another bargain proudly made in Canada. :D Doubtless from marine-grade stainless steel with precision bearings to justify the cost.
     
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    Got in the new Ortofon Cadenza Bronze cart last week, just getting around to mounting it today. Took some pics before I start using it:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Here's one that shows off the crappy stylus placement on the cantilever:

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    Now, pics of my previous cart (exact same model) that I used the Zerodust on:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Did the Zerodust leave residue on the old one? Can't tell. Looks worse but that could just be normal wear or my failure to adequately maintain the cart.

    I'll lay off the Zerodust on this one and take pics as I go along.

    Edit: Anyone cares to look at larger pics I posted them at https://imgur.com/a/GwCmbc9
     
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    Trying to decide if I investigate a new cart now, or wait till the dust settles and then explore options.

    As for the zero dust working, I have seen carts in much worse shape, that looks practically new
     
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    Recently I saw a video by Steve Guttenberg where he said, that the higher end the turntable, the less pops and clicks stand out / are annoying. He has been wrong before so I'm wondering, is what he says correct?
     
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    No, it really has little to do with the table itself IME. Pops and clicks have to do with how clean the vinyl is, groove damage, stylus shape, alignment, and phono stage headroom.
     
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    No. Everything @shotgunshane said.
     
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    @purr1n @shotgunshane @dBel84

    I just discovered my parents are using a 40 year old cartridge and @loadexfa was here and was horrified haha. I guess that's quite an achievement. They have a
    LinnSondek LP12 turntable with a
    Linn Ittok LV-11 pickup arm

    they've been using a Grace F-9E cartridge for 40 years.

    so I'd love some recommendations for a cartridge that is as good or better and would meet the quality of their apparently excellent turntable.

    They have a PASS XA25 amp and B&W Nautilus 803 speakers and maybe will get the Tavish phono preamp from the loaner tour if they like it, they currently have a Creek phono pre of some kind.

    Maybe a few recommendations from medium to high price?

    Thank you! My mother has a nice record collection and loves listening to them. I'm trying to update here setup and get her fixed with a streaming rig as well.
     
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    This is one of the best medium compliance MM cartridges ever made. if the stylus is still sharp don't replace it.
     
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    This!!

    Perfect match for that table too.
     
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    How do I figure out if it's still sharp? @loadexfa listened to it and said he thought it should sound better so we figured it was the cartridge.
     
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    Never heard a Grace F9 but have read plenty about them. Seems to be a legend in the MM cartridge world. Soundsmith sells replacement stylus: https://www.sound-smith.com/parts/grace-f9-replacement-stylus

    This one looks nice:
    Soundsmith laser mounted CL Nude stylus- Sapphire Cantilever "RUBY"- CL (RED) $399**
    The more expensive OCL (optimized contact line) in the $499 version supposedly requires more meticulous set up.
     
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    clean the debris off it (you can google how to do this, blutack works). put it under a microscope or 10x loupe, look for a nice pointy tip.
     
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    Interesting, I had no idea a cartridge could last that long.

    To add info to @rhythmdevils ’s request, I thought the music lacked separation, resolution, and clarity. The sense of presence too. I tried the exact recording when I got home on digital (both Pavane with Stratus and Wavedream with LauX) paired the a modded LCD-4 and these impressions hold up for me. Hopefully that helps in suggesting the likely culprit.
     

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