Vorlon has zero EQ

Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Vorlon, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Yes. I enjoy creating messes because people cannot be direct and ask me a simple question "why did you think it was garbage?" but instead create all sorts of nonsense about whether I like DS DACs or not, or whether I need two seconds or not.

    We don't delete posts. We move them.
     
  2. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    Now you misread my post, I was asking if you thought I am intentionally trying to create a mess here, not you. That's the vibe I got from your post, sorry if I misunderstood it.

    I am _not_ under any agenda to instigate anything and have no idea why my comment was made into such a big deal, there was nothing in it that sorrodje for example did not already imply when he mentioned that "randos" have been banned for much less. Actually I wish I had not posted anything at all in this thread for the last few days. Feel free (please do) to delete them.
     
  3. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    None of your posts will be deleted so that you may rest your head in shame!
     
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  4. GoodEnoughGear

    GoodEnoughGear Evil Dr. Shultz‎

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    Marv, take offense or not, you can dish it out but you can't take it. Hiding behind some mystic image of yourself is infantile.
     
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  5. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    I have nothing to be ashamed of and stand by all of my posts in this thread, I just feel this whole thing makes no sense and that you are completely overreacting. Also this whole mess is just noise in this thread, so it would be better to remove it all. Shame has nothing to do about it. Learn to take constructive criticism and I say this as someone who respects your work here a ton. You are going ballistic just because I implied that your posts in this thread sucked (which they did). Sorry, it happens to everyone sometimes. It's not the end of the world. I've posted a lot of crap here too, just look at my HD 660 S posts for example.
     
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  6. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    Hey my posts don't get deleted either.

    Here the deal from my POV: everyone wants to me be something that I am not. Yeah I am certainly going to dish it. I won't take it. I can't take it. I have a life outside of SBAF. Tough titties. Go to Head-Fi if you don't like this.
     
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  7. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    I'm heading out, my recommendation is still to delete the noise in this thread that serves no purpose. Do as you wish though, but it's your posts that look bad here, not mine. I am actually trying to help you clear this mess and move it behind.
     
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  8. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    As I already said. We do not delete posts here. We move them which will happen in due time. Not deleting posts allows us to reflect on our stupidity in the future.

    Are you done telling me what to do and how I should learn how to take constructive criticism from you in the form of constructive criticism?

    I did not go ballistic because my posts sucked, which they did, I went ballistic because you came off like an entitled millennial.
     
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  9. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    Wow, this thread is turning in to a nebula for spin off threads....

    edit - I'm ashamed I didn't think of saying Mutara Nebula, when I first typed this. Then I could have said, "I'm waiting for Marvey to set off the Genesis Device..."
     
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  10. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    You think too highly of yourself. I can at least admit we both look like asses. I am sick and hung over from last night, so at least I have an excuse, albeit a lame one.
     
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  11. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    So now you are going with the I'll drag you down with me route? You know I was actually thinking yesturday that you sound like you are posting drunk, and in these recent posts not like your usual self (stressed/something is wrong). I don't think casually implying that you are not following the culture you yourself created here and which turned this place so awesome is a shitpost. It's you who got all worked up about it and started all that hardcore deflecting/script flipping.

    Take some responsibility, everyone makes mistakes. It's how we react to them that defines us. And get over your ego, this doesn't "need to happen" for some higher good. It's not a good sign nor does it mean that there is some kind of mystic code to SBAF I have failed to understand. This kind of stuff is something that should be deleted as needless and useless drama. The only reason I can think of keeping this up is that you get a kick out of this. I don't. Whatever floats your boat.
     
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    sorrodje Carla Bruni's other lover - Friend

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    @Vorlon : OK. gotcha. Look at your hands and pull them off your keyboard. Easy peasy.


    Can we move on now ?
     
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    Hands Overzealous Auto Flusher - Measurbator

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    @Vorlon You're being a total ass. Get over yourself.

    Also, posting drunk or hungover and being a total silly asshole is totally within the bounds of our culture. What you're doing is just being a dick out of self-importance, stubbornness, and ignorance.

    You have very, very clearly misread our community and need to stop projecting your misunderstanding on senior members and this place as a whole.
     
  14. Bill-P

    Bill-P Level 42 Mad Wizard

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    Just my two cents:

    In a nutshell, this is how I'm seeing this whole chain (from my perspective).

    1. @zerodeefex posted a private text message from Marv wherein he remarked that the RME is garbage.

    2. Stuffs ensued, people called Marv out, Marv got drunk and wrote stuffs.

    3. Sorrodje decided not to call Marv out and instead drew from his experience with regards to what Marv likes. <- the "right" move

    4. Marv then proceeded to share more impressions and explain himself following the "right" move.

    5. Then you came in telling him that he should have taken the time to write impressions and act like an angel and ignore people, and how wrong he was.

    I don't know, man. I think you might want to re-evaluate what you think of Marv, or at large, of this whole place in general. This is really not a "quality audio site", or at least it isn't quite a place like that. It's just a place for close friends who share the same taste in audio (or close to that anyway) to hang out.

    The above is just how Marv is as a person. You're asking literally that he tries to act differently from how he usually is. Imagine me telling you now that you're wrong and you should act differently. Do I come off as being pretentious?

    I have also tended not to share personal impressions so often these days unless it's something I think will benefit friends or people who know me well. In general, personal impressions are not so useful when read by someone who does not understand the context/preference of the person writing said impressions. Therefore, it is my belief that it is practically impossible to write anything even remotely coherent to people who don't know you. In this case, I can see that whatever @Hands, Marv and I have been telling you all seem very foreign to you, since you don't seem to quite understand the "context" here.

    So please take a step back, relax, and read what I just wrote carefully before you craft your next response. I didn't think I had to spell it all out but I guess it needed to be.
     
  15. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    I'm not surprised you all are rushing in to condemn me, but I expected better. Yes, I thought the aim was to create a quality audio forum. I will however take the hint and log out for a few days though as this is absolutely going nowhere. Learned my lesson though, but don't think for second that I agree with this sentiment you guys are casting here. No hard feelings though, there are more important things in life than forum disagreements. My hope is that we can forget all of this - that's what I'll be doing at least.

    Edit: I was expecting a title like this and I'm fine with it. People reading my posts can make their own conclusions of how accurate it is. It seems personal friendships are overruling rational discussions this time and someone needs to take the fall for exposing some hypocrisy here. Your site, you control the script.
     
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  16. Bill-P

    Bill-P Level 42 Mad Wizard

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    Well, like I said... and I'm doubling down. No matter what other people may perceive this place to be, I don't tend to think of it as a "quality audio forum." This is just a place where I enjoy the audio journey together with my friends. A good number of us get together in real life very often, and this place is more like a thought dump for some.

    The measurements, some of the findings, etc... can be considered high quality but those are more reflective of the experience and intelligence of the people who provide them, and much less an indication of the "goal" of this place, if that makes any sense.

    At the very least, I'm sure we are not "sound science" or "the pursuit of audio perfection."
     
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    Seems the last 3 pages could have been avoided if someone simply asked "Hey Marvey, what about the RDI didn't you like?"
     
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  18. Vorlon

    Vorlon self-important, pompous ass

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    I´ll be back on this site as normal in a few days if that is ok to all you guys (and sporting this fantastic new title). If not, ban me and just be over with it. I have nothing against you guys really, it's just critical audio/forum management talk. What I can say however is that I will _not_ be taking part in discussions like these in the future and will be concentrating on posting stuff on audio only. These whole "what is SBAF/philosophy" threads always seem lead to unnecessary (and imo unwarranted) drama. You are right though that I do not belong in the inner circle of this site and if this is indeed not supposed to be a quality audio forum, fine I can live with that.

    And last but not least, in hindsight yes I should not have started replying to Marv´s posts (this does not mean I think they were warranted). Also to be honest I do not care at all what Marv thinks about RME gear nor am I seeking any validation from him. I think he posts tons of awesome stuff, but when it comes to source electronics it's clear we have different tastes and that's nothing to fret about.
     
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    To @Vorlon or anyone else confused by the circumstances that lead here. It's not about the RME, take some time and zoom out to see what you may be missing. Once you have open up the two spoiler buttons below one step at a time.

    This is my perception of SBAF, I could easily be off the mark.

    SBAF exists due to a group of strong, intelligent, independently-minded, inquisitive people. For SBAF to prosper it needs more of those types of people, especially if the old guard are getting sick and tired of it.

    To those that started whining and/or rationalising when @zerodeefex, not @Marvey, posted something overtly negative and blunt about their new favourite piece of gear. Think about the general attitudes here and ask yourselves why did he do so in that manner in particular?

    Well they keep giving hints. "Secret society" etc. A secret society who's philosophy appears to be the Way of the Closed Fist. The intent being that the tougher culture here will enable members to make themselves stronger, and encourage independence of mind.

    It was a test, with a lesson to be learned. Moral of the story: If anyone is seeking validation from Marvey they are doing him, SBAF, and themselves a great disservice.

    TL;DR
    Be your own Marvey.
     
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  20. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    You might be on to something there.

    Maybe in your throes of slinging constructive criticism in a public way, you might have glossed over some crucial details I may have hinted at regarding my life outside of SBAF.

    This is the attitude of yours which makes me go ballastic. You want to know why? Because it crosses boundaries. You have no idea of the culture and history here, yet you imagine in your mind some sort of culture (your culture, not mine) that you want to me adhere to. To remind you. The site is an extension of the personalities of the inner circle and senior members. Not everyone is a good fit. Not everyone can be friends with each other.

    I don't think you are fully conscious of what you are doing. For one, you have completely ignored the hints of possible outside stressors going on in my life. You have also completely dismissed my one of my methods (Crazy / Oblique Marv) of communicating with members about gear. A method which has been established for some time now, but not always used, especially as of recent. Instead, you have insisted that I follow some sort of "culture" that I have supposedly instituted, which is really the culture that YOU want.

    You have also attempted to wrongly illustrate that my responses to the private correspondence were shit. My initlal response (http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/rme-adi-2-dac.5649/page-10#post-193322) was oblique, but it was hardly shit. I left a bunch of information for follow up. For example, no one asked me what I meant when I said "sounded like a shitty LMExxxx buffer or something like that, except without balls."

    Now allow me to give you a piece of advice. If you want to constructively criticize someone, then do it in PM. Also, it helps to understand where other people are coming from when you are giving constructive advice. You need to listen and at least try to understand. Finally, be a part of the solution, not part of the problem.

    If you truly thought my early posts were shit, then you could have simply asked "WTF do you mean by shitty LMExxxx buffer?" or "Did you seriously just listen to it for two seconds?" But you did not. So you lose. And this is EXACTLY what I was harping about saying people need to step up.

    This is 723rd time you've said this. Did you read my or other people's responses, or are you so adamant that SBAF run according to what YOU think is right? There is reason why posts are never deleted, only moved. This was established long ago by board members and senior members.

    Yes I do.

    Then why keep up? I can do this all day today.
     
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