The Two Channel Advice Thread

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  1. crazychile

    crazychile Eastern Iowa's Spiciest Pepper

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    Yeah completely different speaker. I still have an original pair of 601s and the sound signature is completely different from the 8 series. The only thing in common was that with the right electronics, they all tended to image from well to exceptional for a box speaker.

    But maybe your problem had even more to do with the Yamaha. Unless it was some really classic Yamaha, the stuff from the mid 80's onward always sounded a little too smooth and mushy for my tastes. Dynamics were comparable to a possum on Xanax. The best pairings were usually with high efficiency speakers that leaned bright. I was a Yamaha and B&W dealer in the late 80s to mid 90's so I had a lot of exposure to both.
     
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    True.....Room is the most important factor above all else. Also a little bit of investment(like 200 dollars) into room treatment with diy stuff goes a long way. I choose studio monitors bceause of similar constraints. I don't want to be fiddling around with crossovers, amp pairings, preamp, etc, which end up costing way more, with fear of upgraditis.

    First thing I would do if you are interested in studio monitors...is go to a pro audio store, and audition them all and find what is to your liking. As for my recommendation, I would tell you to go EVE studio monitors with a pairing sub. Try to see if there is store that you can try them of course.

    If you order from www.thomannmusic.com, which also has b-stock stuff if you need more savings, you can get a very very good price on them compared to anything else. its like 50% off compared to normal retail price in the states and shipping is only $30. I can't think of any monitors that have a better price to performance ratio.

    I would recommend EVE sc305+TS108 or Ts110 , or Eve sc205 + Ts108 sub. The sub has a preamp built in so you don't have to get a seperate one. Comes with a remote as well.If you don't want the sub, then something with a bigger driver like the sc208, though I think the mids get a bit less tight. I would have gone for the sc305 instead of the sc307 if I had the choice again.
     
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    Do you want remote volume control and/ source switching?
     
  5. Hrodulf

    Hrodulf Prohibited from acting as an MOT until year 2050

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    Do you plan to do the brunt of your listening via the record player? If so, a preamp might also help.
     
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    I would look at the DSP Genelec 8331's. Small 3 way coaxials. I liked them a lot when so heard them not to long ago, but they might go over budget and not sure how will a LP player work with that.

    The DIY route however is usually more rewarding in the end.
     
  7. zerodeefex

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    All the advice here is not helpful until you provide more context. I'd recommend pics of your space as well:
    1. How big is your room?
    2. How is it laid out?
    3. Where will you be listening primarily?
    4. How many people will be listening generally?
    5. How far can your speakers be from the walls and how far will they be from the listening position?
    6. How attractive does the setup have to be?
    7. Do you need the furniture/stands for everything in that budget, too?
    8. How comfortable are you with DIY?
      • Will you cut your own wood? Do you have a table saw and router?
      • Would you be comfortable gluing together a flat pack?
      • Can you do light soldering?
      • Are you comfortable with light painting, staining or veneering?
    Right now all the advice in this thread is totally useless for you. It's people telling you what they like without knowing your space or needs very well.

    One note: with a budget of $4k all in, I'd get the best system you can get to play the digital files you have already and f**k vinyl. A "budget" table + a mani + a decent cart will cost you 20%+ of your total budget.
     
  8. zerodeefex

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    Moved to the correct thread.

    Also, what are my options for a sealed sub or two that will be happy being crossed over at 130-150ishHz gracefully? Have to integrate with some Sunfire ribbons I have lying around for a project.
     
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    Ideal yes, but hard to find stores with everything you'd like to hear these days isn't it? Maybe a show would be the best option?

    It's low on the priority list.

    This would just be putting my toe in the vinyl waters to see if its worth buying a chunk of my collection over again. So TBD.
     
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    1 -3,5. Yeah I'm learning how important room is. I'm moving back from overseas so I don't have my space yet. Just starting the search for gear/fantasy now.

    4. Mostly me.

    6. Its low on the list.

    7. Hadn't thought that far but lets say no to not muddy things up.
    8. Not comfortable at all at this point and dont have any of the tools.

    Fair point on the vinyl. I do want to see what the fuss is all about though. Maybe start digital and add vinyl when budget permits.
     
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    I've looked at these and they look really promising. I've read though that Gelelecs can be pretty forward and fatiguing. Do you find this?
     
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    Find your space then come back and ask. Fantasizing now will just make you go nuts.
     
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    Take any chance you can get, meet people from SBAF, as mentioned above pro audio stores etc. Shows can be an option but too noisy probably. But as @zerodeefex said don't decide on speakers until you know your room and layout.
     
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    There are so, so many subs out there. You could have a look at Rythmik. He is very music-oriented, and offers quite a few subs with paper cones as he believes they have better performance above the 80 - 100 Hz crossover most people use. I bought a dual paper-coned L22 and have been really pleased. You could also do 2 x F12 for not too much more if you want to keep stereo separation below your crossover point or want to even out room modes.
     
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    Don't forget that in addition to the cost of hardware for vinyl playback, the music itself is both expensive, and/or a pita or impossible to obtain. And the prices are still going up as far as I can tell. Buying used is also kind of a crapshoot. The upshot being that, at least for me, digital will always be necessary no matter how you view the sq comparison btwn analog and digital.
     
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    Genelecs in general sound good to me. Heard some. But they are IMO not value.

    The 3-ways are not small either. Like @zerodeefex said, the solution should also depend on living arrangements, apperance, and final setup.
     
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    Nope. And beware of the hype.

    A cheaper somewhat similar solution for less $ (but still more than I would like to spend):
    https://www.css-audio.com/online-store/CSS-Criton-1TD-Kit-Pair-p109862382
    Several build options for different low end and size requirements.

    If you are going to use a subwoofer, I would just go for an OS (Overnight Sensations) solution. Not only is this a low price performer. It is well established that the OS are not shit.
     
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    Will do. But for those of us who move a good deal, arent there more versatile, space neutral set ups? Surely you shouldn't have to buy a new system every time you move?

    I guess the above makes an argument for active speakers with room adjusting DSP.
     

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