Yggdrasil MIB was: Jason+Marv Pyrate Edition 11001B

But will this future 'MIB' DAC have 8x upsampling?

 

No, as has been pointed out a couple of times now, it is 4X. “MIB” is the same thing as “MIL-B” or “MIL-F”.

As a side note, the implication that people might get nervosa over “moar upsampling” in a DAC that looks like it will end up being called “More Is Better” is very funny to me.

 

When my SFD-1 can no longer be repaired - I'll check out the m-il-f's at that time.

 

Schiit Audio has evolved its filter from 4x to 8x for a reason. Processing power offering 8x upsampling thus further separating spectral islands, allow for smoother analog low pass filtering and better aliasing control. What not to like?

Why not bring the best filter to a new product anyway?

 

It’s nervosa. What does 8x upsampling vs. 4x sampling do to sound that sounds “better”? It doesn’t, it would at best sound different. This is also the best measuring of the Yggdrasil variants (all 8x), so I’m unsure your reasoning stands up in an objectivist sense, either. The only DAC that had 4X upsampling prior to this one (and the first More Is Less) is Modi Multibit v1, so it’s also not a matter of the filter “evolving,” - the first multibit Schiit DAC ever (Yggdrasil A1 aka GS) was 8X. When Modi Multibit v2 came out, there were plenty of folks who still preferred v1. How do you account for that?

The technical reason for the 4X has to do with the chip itself, AFAICT. It wasn’t a matter of 8X vs 4X for the chip and they chose 4X. I think the more technical reasons are extrapolated upthread or in the original More Is Less review by Marv, but I don’t remember.

 

With enough processing power there is no technical iil using 8x vs 4x. I know enough of DFFTs to express this statement. I also know that the gentler the analog LPF the better. If people prefer MMB1 over MMB2, there are also larger numbers who prefer the latter. And whatever sonic difference, I doubt it has to do with 8x oversampling.

Re personal preferences. We are lucky to have some people, 1 (is there more than one?) who heard the prototype. His reports are excellent, but it's one man's opinion.

Note: I am new to the forum. I have asked questions and have noticed that I am getting dislikes (negative points) triggered by non-moderators, simply because these people do not like the questions. Astonishing, even in audio forums!

 

You’re getting dislikes because you’ve spent multiple posts now clogging up the thread with speculation about the filter that doesn’t seem to have much point other than 8X is “better” for a flagship product in your opinion, and you only got to that point after you kept asking the same question over and over again after it had already been answered.

 

Schiit will make a product and given its specs should sound good.

I don’t think they will make an 8x or 16x because some potential customers think that would be better. At the moment there’s no point speculating about the MIB that’s pre-prod and heard by a handful of people

If you want an 8x Yggdrasil, there is the OG or the LIM until Schiit might want to make an 8x MIB.

 

Marv talked about this somewhere too, but LIM is only quasi-8X, I guess? Beyond my technical comprehension.

 

I can see how nasty and intolerant this forum is. That's OK. Move on.

 

I guess someone couldn't wait for the release of the product to find out the answer to his question that he kept asking over and over. SMDH.

 

Have you compared the single ended and the balanced outputs on the MIL-F? I have heard that the SE and BAL outputs are fairly close in sound quality with the LIM. I can confirm that the BAL is better that the SE output on the OG.

 

Output stages for MIL(-A) and LIM were essentially identical, I think, so I would imagine the same would apply for MIL-F re: BAL being more or less equal to SE. Just speculating, though, you’d have to confirm with Marv (or Jason).

 

Very informative information presented here. I love my LiM, could be approaching the point of diminishing returns to pursue altering the dac from present form. It's nice to be happy with what you have I think. But then I do tend to just want to enjoy the music and LiM seems to me to have pretty good detail retrieval even if not the final word in same. And love the blackground too.

 

It's a great DAC. If you've achieved good synergy with your current system, are happy, etc., that's really all the matters. If you can accommodate the upcoming cards in your budget, and can view it as just a fun exercise in playing around with flavors instead of it just being about upgraditis or FOMO, that seems the healthiest approach to me. Otherwise, I really would just stick with enjoying what you've got.

 

I really really want one of these, the Yggdrasil A2/og is my favorite DAC regardless of pricc (of those I've heard) even beating the Wavedream.

Some of you know I have a chronic illness which is very severe right now. I'm worried I won't be able to check this thread whenever this DAC is ready. Would anyone be willing to email me how to pay when it's ready, leaving out long instructions if they are there? Send me a pm if so thank you!

 

As I mentioned to Whitney in a PM, despite the implication made via the name of the thread re: pyrate edition etc., I'm 90% sure we should be getting this via the Schiit website based on Jason's comments here and on HF, just like ordering any other Yggdrasil flavor (whole DAC or self-install cards). It just might not be available to order that long after the short run, depending.

 

@internethandle kindly offered to email and text me when it's up for sale so I don't miss it. FEEL THE LOVE!

 

I expect you'll be able to order MIB (as a full DAC) on Wednesday, with upgrade (card) availability trailing by 3-4 weeks.