Comments on Profile Post by GoodEnoughGear

  1. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Sad to hear that. Yes, he was part of history.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  2. Claritas
    Claritas
    I'm going to assume you didn't know he was an anti-Jewish racist.
    Dec 26, 2021
  3. GoodEnoughGear
    GoodEnoughGear
    Sure, you can paint it that way if you like. I'm going to assume you've never met him, let alone worked with him.
    Dec 26, 2021
  4. YMO
    YMO
    RIP, even if I share some of the same issues about Tutu with @Claritas.
    Dec 26, 2021
  5. Claritas
    Claritas
    @GoodEnoughGear So you knew he was a racist—and that's your kinda guy? Given his despicable race record concerning me and my people, I wouldn't even shake his hand. But we can let God be the judge.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  6. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    Dec 26, 2021
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  7. dematted
    dematted
    I'm a Jew, and I've never thought he was anti-semitic. While I don't support the BDS movement, supporting it does not make one an anti-semite. Neither does offering criticisms (even caustic ones) of Israel. He was an instrumental figure in the downfall of Apartheid, and he should be celebrated for that.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  8. Claritas
    Claritas
    @dematted, I won't be party to a political discussion on this site. The only thing I can say is: I agree that you're a Jew.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  9. crenca
    crenca
    His (Anglican) Christianity was of the insipid liberal (using this term in its theological sense) variety, and his moral politics was of the insipid liberal/leftist variety, so I never found him particularly interesting. However to be a Great Man of History none of that matters. May he rest in the Bosom of Abraham.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  10. Kunlun
    Kunlun
    May his memory be a blessing.
    Dec 26, 2021
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  12. Kunlun
    Kunlun
    From that obit: "Abraham Foxman, then national director of the Anti-Defamation League [...]

    “Tutu has certainly been an outspoken, sometimes very harsh critic of Israel and Israeli policies, and has sometimes also used examples which may cross the line,” Foxman told JTA at the time. But Tutu “certainly is not an antisemite and should not be so characterized..."
    Dec 26, 2021
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    Dec 26, 2021
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  14. Claritas
    Claritas
    @Kunlun, As an outsider, I don't expect you to be familiar with internal Jewish matters. The sad fact is: they had to say that. They have to make nice with the opinions of the establishment. (The most infamous example is Reform "Rabbi" Stephen Wise, who covered up the Holocaust in order to stay on good terms with Pres. Roosevelt.)
    Dec 27, 2021
  15. Thad E Ginathom
    Thad E Ginathom
    @Claritas, Thanks for the exclusion! Notwithstanding the fact that you are technically right about my ignorance.
    Dec 27, 2021
  16. Claritas
    Claritas
    @Thad E Ginathom It's not an exclusion. It's just the way things are. This is true of most public affairs. How do you feel when some foreigner goes off on India, and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about? The Jewish community—the one that's not going to disappear in a generation—are bound to have a different perspective.
    Dec 27, 2021
  17. dematted
    dematted
    "The one that's not going to disappear in a generation" - is that supposed to be some thinly veiled attack against Secular Jews who happen to marry outside the tribe? If so, as the official representative of Larry David on this site, I take great offense!
    Dec 27, 2021
  18. Claritas
    Claritas
    @dematted It's not an attack: it's a fact, borne out every decade in every survey. I care about all of the Jewish people! I care about you. And I wish the facts were different, or that the surveys would come back with different results. So please don't shoot the messenger (especially when I am the messenger).
    Dec 27, 2021
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  19. crenca
    crenca
    Related to the situation in Judaism (not that it is a 100% correlation) Archbishop Tutu himself was part of the rapidly dying liberal wing of the Anglican church. What the children of these kind of believers have firgured out is that if your Christianity is just the conventional social mores "at prayer", well Christianity is superfluous. You don't need the Cross to be "a good person".
    Dec 27, 2021
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  20. crenca
    crenca
    The only part of Anglican church that is actually passing the faith on to their children is the "continuing Anglican movement", somewhat ironically led mostly by African bishops who have themselves resisted the colonization of theological liberalism and "wet finger in the air moralism" from their Euro/North American peers.
    Dec 27, 2021
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