Comments on Profile Post by Lyander

I agree with this completely, but to play a little bit of devil's advocate here, it's basically in our nature to be lazy, and this includes mental laziness. Learning all the ways your brain tries to trick so you are at least aware of it isn't something everyone does, and even overt laziness isn't something everyone fights.

I actually touched on that point in a response to the Verum thread that I may have no further interest in posting because it was a voice message and my mouth was dry so the whole thing was rife with mouth clicks. Eww. Anyway, it really is unavoidable that the mind form shortcuts and gestalts in order to minimise processor load, but that invariably puts blinders on you.

I don't think laziness really exists as we apprehend the word, with its revolting connotation (to Protestant work ethic sensibilities, which the West has been founded on, see Weber for more). It's more of a social, economic or mental (illness) blockage that prevents agency to act in a certain mode, and humans will always prefer to have agency than to be powerless, defenseless.

And sometimes the RIGHT to be "lazy" as it stands today, is an act of defiance, a standing up against being oppressed and exploited. The idea of "laziness" follows us even to our vacations and shapes our free time, wherein we feel bad if we aren't "productive". It's a toxic idea, imo, that needs to be further examined along a more psychodynamic or materialist viewpoint.

do welcome what i imagine will be clapbacks tho on this take tho.

I dont think there's even a "take" in there about the actual topic. you spent two long profile replies to disagree with the term "lazy" rather than engage with the ideas presented. Im not really interested in such a semantic argument

Lyander - "it will always be easier to have someone dumb down your own thoughts for you."

you - "it's basically in our nature to be lazy, and this includes mental laziness."

I think it's prudent to explore the idea of laziness, as it's central to both your arguments (Lyander's mostly by subtext tho, I will admit)

I think... I may be too lazy to understand this.

The hell if I’m reading all that.

@DigMe... Do you think we can ask for a dumbed-down version?

A person will believe anything—no matter how absurd—so long as he thought of it himself. Intelligence seems to make no difference. If anything, it makes this problem worse, because the absurd belief is part of an implicit "system" of absurdities.

I fully admit to being disinterested in taking my brain off Eco mode to really parse the bulk of this thread now, but for the most part I do agree that there is toxicity in being DRIVEN to act generatively as measurable by modern materialistic standards (look at how a lot of middle and eastern Asia is nowadays). That did feel like a bit of a non-sequitur.

@Claritas the more one's intelligence is lauded, the more at risk they are of growing arrogant and cocksure. The thing is I'm not entirely on-board with the notion that people actually think of things themselves nowadays; it's more often the case that stimuli may be presented in a way as to lead a person to think that they're drawing upon their own life experiences to distill a Truth, of a fashion.