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Discussion in 'Cars, Motorcycles, Boats, Airplanes Talk' started by Maxvla, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. loki993

    loki993 Almost "Made"

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    So its come time to turn in the F150. Ive considered just getting another one, but the new Rams from what Ive seen are really nice and if you catch Dodge at the right time that can be quite bit cheaper than the F150 payment wise. Also another thing to consider is that I just got a new job and there will be a lot of driving involved so Im going to have to consider gas mileage. That said though I dont want to sacrifice comfort, again because of the driving.

    I like the truck and I like driving it and its very comfortable, I am not sure but it may be tough to go back to a car after driving a truck for three years. The thing about the Ford though is I never liked the payment and I wish I could get something cheaper, though Im not completely sure thats possible and still get what I like.

    I get an employee discount on Chevys actually but strangely even with my discount a payment on a Silvarado isn't really any cheaper than the Ford and I prefer the Ford, which is why I went with it in the first place. There isn't really anything that the Chevy has that would draw me from a Ford or Dodge aside from price. Now if GM would actually take that Caddillac 3.6TT and put it in a Colorado or Silvarado maybe they would get my attention but they refuse so...oh well.

    Other vehicles Im considering could be a Charger Scat Pack. Problem with that is I think the payment on that would actually be more than a truck right now, but I would have to talk to a dealer to be sure. Also Im a bit wary of the build quality of the FCA cars and Im afraid its just not going to hold up, but then again it will be a lease so does that even matter. Are the quality issues blown out of proportion by biased magazine writers and internet folk? I think maybe because there are tons of scat packs, hellcats and SRTs running around here and if they were crap I wouldn't see so many. I am in the metro Detroit area so I am in the heart of Chrysler country. Still seems like it would be a really fun car.

    The others are either a Taurus SHO, by far the cheapest of the bunch, but also probably the most boring, but hey people may actually get out of my way on the freeway because they will think its a cop car. A Chevy SS, Ive always loved that car but they are still going for 35+ around here, I would want a stick and finding one will require a bit of patience. I probably should have gotten one instead of the F150 when I still could get one new but I wanted to take a break from a stick for a bit and the discount on them sucked. Lastly a CTS V sport, they're going for around low 30s, but again potential GM quality issues. Also all of these cars are now out of production so I would have to buy one and would probably have a relatively high payment or I would have to finance one for a insane amount of time and I dont know if I really want to do that.

    As you may have noticed I like fast cars, but I also have two kids in car seats, so I need room, so thats why the full size sedan or truck. For someone that likes fast stuff a truck may be a surprise but the twin turbo F150s are surprisingly quick for what they are and with a tune they are quicker still.

    does anyone have any insights on any of these cars? I really need to get out and drive a few to see what I really like though.
     
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  2. LetMeBeFrank

    LetMeBeFrank Won't tell anyone my name is actually Francis

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    As to the quality of FCA vehicles, the negative stuff is blown out of proportion. Also, the charger is on the LX platform which is very mature, plus the Hemi's (2006+) are super reliable. They don't build police highway cruisers out of unreliable cars (crown Vic, 96 Impala, etc) so take that for what you will.
     
  3. purr1n

    purr1n Finding his inner redneck

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    I have a Scat Pack Charger and Wrangler. The only thing you have to worry about is FCA employees not attaching things properly like trim pieces on Monday. No biggie since we can just pop them back on. The Charger and 300B have essentially been the same car for 15 years now, on the same or slightly tweaked platform. FCA has had all the time to improve major issues (that cost them money). The gaps on the exterior panels are good enough. They are not Lexus precision, but I can say for certainty far super to Tesla. Let's say on par with Mazda, better than Mini. The motors and transmissions are indestructible, can use shitty gas, and don't grenade themselves like that of the Ford DOHC or the occasional Chevy transmissions. Also, if something actually broke, it's dirt cheap to fix. We learned the hard way with an Acura MDX SUV, which turned out to be the most unreliable vehicle we ever owned. Add insult to injury, parts cost was enormous.

    All these quality issues are blown out of proportion. There are these things called warranties and if you are attentive, you will get the dealer to fix everything before they expire. Most major issues will arise early. Quality has massively improved over the decades across all brands.

    There's a reason why so many old Chargers (and Wranglers) are still on the road, in California, and especially in Michigan. I do see more Charger (of the Scat Pack and Hellcat variety) these days in California. Fast and Furious is responsible for that. It's fun picking up my son from middle school where his peers think his dad has the most awesome car, even though there are plenty of Porsches and Tesla Model S' around. Even my daughter, who was embarrassed initially thinks it's cool now, namely because there's an older girl at her high school with a Charger (not Scat Pack).

    The downside with the Scat Pack is that the gas pedal is sensitive, like that of the Beemers that if you just touch it, you just take off. And if you press down below 15 mph on cold tires or slippery roads, you die. Traction control and nannies may not come on timely enough. The car is a bit under-tired with all that low-end torque. I figured I'd add that note because I used to live in Michigan. Depending upon where you live in MI, the suspension of the Scat Pack may not be compliant enough - it's tuned pretty stiff, but the ride is still comfortable because of the long wheelbase.
     
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  4. LetMeBeFrank

    LetMeBeFrank Won't tell anyone my name is actually Francis

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    Anywhere in metro Detroit the scat pack is going to ride like hell but people around there are used to the shitty roads for the most part.

    The only issues I've had with my 300C were because it's an 05 and the 05 Hemi's like to drop valve seats around 100k. Otherwise every single thing in the car still works and it has every single option but satnav (thankfully). All the electronics are perfect, all the interior stuff is perfect. No broken tabs or hooks or hinges. I've replaced the standard wearable items like suspension, tires, brakes and fluids. You wouldn't know it was a 15 year old car.
     
  5. loki993

    loki993 Almost "Made"

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    Very nice. Yeah the pickup soaks up the bumps pretty good around here and its nice not having to pray I dont blow a tire every time I see a pothole.

    Ill have to take a look at some of the chargers or even maybe a used 300 which honesty I think I prefer the look of. Im still not sure the payment will work out though.

    The driving for work thing is better than I though it would, but still Ill be running from Warren to Dearborn or to Livonia every day until probably May at least. So thats probably going to average to about 20 miles one way per day.

    What I really want is an SS really now that Ive been thinking about it. Im just not comfortable with either a big payment or what I would consider an unreasonable amount of time to finance a car, especially a used one. However if there was one car to do that with it would be an SS which probably wont depreciate much if at all and I doubt id ever want to get rid of it anyway.

    The guy I just bought the F150 from actually got me a deal on a new one thats decent. I also have to check a few more dodge/ram dealers to see how the trucks lease out before I decide.
     
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  6. LetMeBeFrank

    LetMeBeFrank Won't tell anyone my name is actually Francis

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    I get about 24 mpg on the highway and 16-17 around town, but I only have a 5 speed trans (Mercedes 722.6 / Chrysler NAG1) so a newer model with an 8+ speed torqueflite would get significantly better.
     
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    I should tell you the stories on the car finance side for CDJ during 08-12 recession. We can really tell you what we think on the $ side. It's fun.
     
  8. Forza AudioWorks

    Forza AudioWorks MOT: Forza AudioWorks

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    My wet dream. Not many of these where I live, but every car aficionado knows what they are.
     
  9. yotacowboy

    yotacowboy McRibs Kind of Guy

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    Just adding another little historical tidbit: from what I understand, the current Charger platform traces it's roots to a Renault/Eagle platform that Bob Lutz had a hard-on for. After the Daimler "merger of equals" the L platform did some component sharing with the MB W201-derived rear suspension. So, the current LD platform has roots in a unibody chassis platform from 1990's with a sub-chassis' from the late 1980's. There's not a lot of merit to the idea that FCA cars are inherently poor quality because of idiotic Italian engineering. The engineering is pretty well figured out. Assembly is where FCA can be questionable, and typically assembly issues are where the FCA warranty will cover you. The 392 is a good, well engineered motor if you don't add boost or NOS. If anything, FCA is really good at hanging new fenders/fascias on really old well worn platforms.
     
  10. loki993

    loki993 Almost "Made"

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    Yeah, If I got the 392 I dont think I would really mod it. From most things Ive read about them its sort of at the limit already of whats usable for a same person in a street car.

    I still think I will check some out, but right now Im actively looking for a "reasonably" priced M6 SS...or really any M6 SS that doesn't sell within 10 minutes of showing up on the internet...
     
  11. Taverius

    Taverius Smells like sausages

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    This traces is roots to the 70s-90s period when FIAT was the car for the Italian proletariat and had to be ugly and ill-fitting or the owner would feel like a class traitor.

    Refinement is an oppression tool of Bourgeoisie or something.

    One of the fallouts of the many, many government bailouts that kept it alive before Marchionne is a heavy political influence onto design, its results became procedural and they're still sweating them out.

    Engineering wise - fiats are as common as dirt here, and they last a long, looong time.

    You'd be hard pressed to find something larger than 2.5l though, so I can't speak for the genital compensation motors.
     

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