Lampizator Horizon DAC Announced

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  1. ogodei

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    Horizon


    The DAC of the future

    Lampizator announcement: launch of our all new TOTL HORIZON DAC

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    Just when I thought that our TOTL Pacific DAC would be the end of the road for us, we decided to change the tactics concerning the improvements. Instead of making small incremental improvements of the flagship Pacific, we decided to freeze it and instead - start a new project. Little did we know about the coming future - about Covid, lockdowns and the AKM factory fire. Starting from a blank sheet we tried to reinvent everything about the DAC that we know, while learning what we don’t.

    In 2019 we heard for the first time the prototype, and frankly - we were shocked how different it was from what we are used to. Thanks to a revolutionary chip technology, like nothing we have seen before - it was possible to create a real monster. It took almost a year to write software that controls the DAC process, especially for DSD512. By using our own custom firmware we made a DAC that nobody else has and nobody else will.

    Summarising, the DAC turned out to be incredibly good. Hence the name THE HORIZON. It is something we look at while on the ocean. It is where we are aiming. From our competitors perspective - the Horizon is where they see us. It is also something endless, undefined, and desired. That's where we want to be.

    The resulting DAC is a true flagship. It has everything it can have, and we know for a fact that nobody else can use solutions that we use. I can say with full confidence that you are getting a unique masterpiece of craftsmanship that will deliver top of the game sound for many years to come. Who knows, chances are it will never be surpassed.


    Key highlights include:

    • Proprietary, firmware driven conversion process with 760kHz PCM and DSD512.
    • No silicon anywhere in the signal path.
    • Silver wiring inside.
    • Copper sheet, true metal capacitors in the signal path.
    • CNC milled chassis.
    • 6SN7 conversion tubes.
    • EL34 output driver tubes.
    • Volume control of the highest possible caliber in every unit, featuring a full bypass function.
    • All units are true balanced and SE at the same time.
    • Zero feedback, either local or global.
    • Zero opamps.
    • Tube rectified power supply.
    • Thousands of tube rolling permutations.
    • Unit weight 72lbs.
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    Loving those nixie tubes...

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    Yes, those are gorgeous to look at.
     
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    So either the chips aren't silicon based, or they're not in the signal path?
     
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    I'm expecting a roughly $1000/lb pricing pedigree with this thing.
     
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    Will all "DACs of the future" have prominent blue balls?
     
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    Think their dealer chain prefers to price by the troy ounce.
     
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    I wonder what they would have written if they had failed to better their as of now best DAC. The promo speak in the industry is getting sillier and sillier. They have improved the looks but in Lampizator gear is not easy on my eyes. The nixies are a redeeming feature.
    They have replaced the silicon in the chips with little impish pixies who have been secretly trained in order to master their task. Half the weight of the DAC is pixie food. Once the DAC has lost 40 % of its weight you need to resend it to Lampizator so they can replenish the pixie food. It is like getting your Bentley serviced (probably the same price, too)
     
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    Do they still use hot glue for assembly?

    Probably not. Looks like they are just not the old wooden-box Lampizator we used to know and... know.

    CNC-milled blah blah
     
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    LampizatOr's DIY days are over it seems, at least (subjectively speaking OFC) that newcomer looks better than anything they did in the past.
     
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    Don't get the EL34s for output. Does this drive headphones directly? I'd get it if it were a DHT for good coloration, but EL34?
     
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    From the lampizator post on the "Whats Best":

    "The 7 tubes work in a new way, never seen before in any DAC. The pentodes provide power supply regulation, active anode loading and cathode buffering - all at the same time - thanks to their 3 grids. The dual triodes provide voltage amplification and current conversion in the DAC process"
     
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    Perhaps I'm stepping out of line.... but has anything Lampizator ever done made sense? For as long as I can remember, they throw a bunch of technical nonsense into a box, throw around some buzzwords, slap on a huge pricetag, and call it a day.

    That said, they've been around for years, have a heap of lifelong fans who swear the gear sounds phenomenal, and seemingly make a heap of sales. So, eh, who am I to argue?
     
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    I've only heard their stuff at shows, so more than a grain or two of salt tossed. But! the rooms where I heard Lampi gear did not sound bad. In fact, the last time i heard one of their DACs it was in (arguably, very much so) my personal "best of show" at the now eons ago 2019 CAF in the Spatial Audio/LTA/Lampi room. The price tho? completely not worth it to me.
     
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    His tube selections have never really made sense in the traditional amp design sense, I own one of their DHT DAC’s and it’s stunningly neutral, if you swap the tubes it’s using you can juggle the balance between dynamics and midrange weight, 242’s make them dynamic, 300B’s less dynamic, more weight, it never really get’s bloomy or what a lot of people expect from tubes. If they didn’t stick out the top most people wouldn’t identify that they have tubes in them.

    i love mine, it’s the best sounding DAC I’ve ever heard, but they are silly expensive, mine replaced a Chord Dave, and to my ears it was night and day better across the board.

    But it does seem odd to go to EL34’s from DHT’s, though they have trended more neutral with pretty much every releases.
     
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    Although many DHTs sound great, they're noisy and expensive. If just one of KR tubes (as often seen in Lampizators) goes bad in a balanced DAC, the entire quad has to be replaced most likely.
     
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    Hi:

    Do you by any chance own a Big 7? I have one with the 300B EMLs and I am looking to replace them with the KR PX 25s.
     
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    It's a brand I never knew whether to take seriously or not. I was inclined not to. Interesting to see good impressions here, although, as mentioned, they always had their fans.
     
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    I have a Pacific, I spent a long time looking for a Golden Gate, but couldn’t find a balanced one at the right price, and when the pacific showed up it was something of a “fuck it” moment. I run it with 242’s because I like the dynamics, PX25’s are a really nice balance, 300B’s and T100’s on the warm midrange side. I’m running KR Ricardo Kron SE tubes in mine.
     
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    It’s just odd they’d worry about cost in a DAC that will likely cost more than a fully specced Pacific, which is in the $38000 range. My assumption is it probably has more to do with Lukasz Fikus’s preferences, or a desire to separate it from the existing product line, than cost.
     
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    Most likely it has less to do with manufactuing costs than having customers satisfied with tubes that are less troublesome than DHTs. Besides, that new DAC shapes up to be the new flagship product and Pacific will remain as their second best for those who are fond of DHTs.
     

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