Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

Disagree.

Grand excuse making has become a new social past-time for humans it seems. Statistically speaking, more than not, it comes down to bad decision-making coupled with the embracement of a crummy lifestyle that leads most people to death's door. Actions vs results (consequences).

Vice versa... if one can say: "Hey anti-vaxer, go get vaccinated and wear a mask... they are freely f'ing available" one then could also say the same for the countless other chronic health problems which also have simple, clear, free (or at least affordable) solutions too:

"Simple solution fatty: eat less, push the plate away, eat healthier, and get up off the couch and move about!"
"Cigarettes kill and second-hand smoke is bad. Go buy a pack of gum, a self-help book, and stop smoking!"
"Yo stop drinking you are making a royal mess of your life; go to AA and start taking those steps you drunk!"
"See this baseball bat 'Pedo'? Don't even think about touching that little boy/girl inappropriately!"​

I mean really... we are all accountable and responsible for our own well-being, the decisions we make, the actions we take, the words we say, etc. The economy, professional work place, and the criminal justice system (to name but a few) all seem to think so and thus why when we get out-of-line we are called out as accordingly and reprimanded (punished). This happens in almost all other aspects of our lives so why wouldn't we hold one's health to the same standard?

Again, outside of those rare uncontrollable medical exceptions (legitimate disease), the vast majority of illness and health issues these days is more often than not self-induced and/or at a least grossly exacerbated by piss poor attitudes and bad decision-making skills. People need to be held accountable and made responsible for themselves. There is nothing wrong with learning from one's mistakes and owning up to them that is part of becoming a productive adult and citizen. For some the journey is harder than others. Fair, no but that is life and how the universe works... it can be one cruel bitch at times!

 

Once again, my experience is based off of seeing patients in a poor and segregated area. You say that everybody has personal responsibility and self-induced but you try countering decades of systemic discrimination and inequality. When people are born in a shitty environment and live in a food desert where the nearest grocery store is miles away with no access to transportation, then it's much tougher to "be accountable." This is only multiplied by outward perception from people who don't take you seriously or already put these labels on you because of all of the previous things (and that includes doctors too because honestly so many doctors came from privileged and sheltered lives here in the states and have a clear implicit bias when it comes to treating patients).

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/5266...-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america

 

Fair enough. I had a discussion with my friend about the Capital Riot and the fact that although those people obviously did the wrong thing, he still felt bad because they were completely misled and born in a environment of ignorance. The same can be said of vaccine hesitancy. My only question is that if they don't trust doctors and science, then why do they show up to the hospital? A lot of the vaccine hesitancy is because they "don't trust the government/doctors/etc." Then, they shouldn't trust them to take care of them when they're sick either.

 

Some doctors you're gonna trust and some you won't. The question is, who do you trust? Those following the consolidated opinion available thru the msm or these 7800 and counting https://doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org/ ?

 

Looks like I can say I'm a doctor and be number 7801

 

Yea and in all honesty, a hospital is a shitty place to be and I don't want to wish that on any person. What's been really interesting is the fact that when we have had these unvaccinated COVID patients in the ICU that are on a ventilator or are actually dying and die in the hospital, so many of the family members are still unwilling to get the vaccine even after seeing that happen to their mother/father/etc.

 

Individualised healthcare in a time when people are making conscious, "informed" decisions to put themselves at risk of a particularly virulent pathogen? I'm a f'ing idealist who holds out hope my country doesn't vote Manny Motherfucking Pacquiao into the presidency but even that sounds like a bit of a hard sell, friend.

The websites and proof of credibility on that page appear optional.

Despite the format the phrasing of the site content is not so much legalese as it is galvanising and propagandistic.

 

Try it and see what happens. I am curious.

 

No thanks. I don't even like giving them views, definitely don't want to be used to boost the number of their supposed supporters

 

I wonder if those 7800 'experts' includes Stella Immanuel? She was Trump's COVID 'expert' who thinks many disease are caused by demon sperm.

If wonder if those 7800 'experts' includes Christina Parks? She was the doctor in the video you linked previously in testimony to some group or another, who would fail 1st year Immunology and Molecular Biology courses with her complete misunderstanding of viruses, vaccines and mRNA technologies.

I see that Peter McCullough is a headliner for those 7800 'experts'. A man who claims with no credible evidence that the mRNA vaccine has killed thousands and thousands of people, erroneously claims the vaccines are 'genetic altering', and claims without evidence that the entire pandemic is a bioterrorism conspiracy.

Worst case estimates for medical and scientific dissent on the consensus about COVID origins (zoonotic transfer) and response (masks, distancing, vaccines) are 1 in 20. Best case is about 1 in 100. Your 7800 'experts' are vastly outnumbered and outclassed. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you are following the wrong people. The vanishingly small 1% minority who have got the wrong end of the stick.

 

How are you considering yourself qualified to disqualify someone's credentials and understanding of anything in the medical or scientific field? What are your credentials? Other than making pithy disparaging remarks about others?

Not a manmade virus? Are you for real? The vast majority are stating that it is the most likely the case. Your comment was true a year ago but is true no longer. .

You're really not qualified for anything except an opinion. You don't have the know-how, desire or drive to actually debunk anything or you would. It's really tiring, Give me some data, studies links, something, or why bother?

 

I have a BSc Hons, PhD, two postdocs, tenured professor, federal funding in human health research.

I can also confirm that I have never once claimed that diseases are caused by demon sperm, or that the US government is controlled by lizard people, or that alien DNA is being used for medical treatments. This alone puts me a step above Stella Immanuel and "America's Frontline Doctors", as I'm sure you would agree.

No they're not.

Sealionning doesn't work on me. It is very obvious that everything you are asking me for is not going to change your mind.

 

But obviously *you* are qualified to decide that they are "experts" and "credible". Cool.​

 

Me? Nope. I can only decide for myself and I don't mind sharing my decision and sources. If you are really concerned about my welfare. Show me where I'm wrong, Shame, derision, humiliation are all weak, shallow and emotional responses that don't accomplish much. Best of luck with your decisions. I sincerely hope for the best results from all of our decisions. I am optimistic.

 

I'm not interested in this.

Just stating that calling out someone's qualifications while not being qualified yourself is nonsense.

 

Generalizing the discussion: I like FLICC

https://skepticalscience.com/history-FLICC-5-techniques-science-denial.html

Needs an E for 'Echo chamber' in there somewhere too IMO.

 

I think one thing we can all agree on though is that BIRDS AREN'T REAL.

 

I had to search for an explanation this term, and was very glad to have done so.

people who troll online by pretending to ask sincere questions, but just keep feigning ignorance and repeating 'polite' follow ups until someone gets fed up. That way, they can cast their opponents as attacking them and being unreasonable. ... It's called 'sealioning', and the term is based on this lovely comic

Thanks @Beefy

 

Sealionning and the gish gallop are two techniques that are incredibly difficult to counter. Both mentally exhausting, especially when you know there is zero chance the other person will change their mind, even if you answer their challenges perfectly. Most days I'm about 50:50 on giving up versus being sucked in...