Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. purr1n

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    WSJ one behind a paywall.

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...ay-create-super-immunity-study-finds/2711209/
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ccinated-super-immunity-antibodies-2-000.html
    https://scitechdaily.com/new-study-breakthrough-infections-generate-super-immunity-to-covid-19/
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-immunity-antibody-omicron-b1979528.html
    https://news.ohsu.edu/2021/12/16/br...ate-super-immunity-to-covid-19-study-suggests
     
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    Personally I do not trust any of the numbers coming from FL. I am very convinced that the numbers are being depressed from our state government in order to prevent people from not coming to FL either from new residents moving in or from people visiting on vacation/business/etc. As I stated in the past, FL rely on consumption (sales tax/hotel tax/etc.) for revenue. Telling people that our numbers is bad is bad for business and will hurt revenue.

    I also do not trust any numbers from the states with heavy Covid hits, since I believe they are selling an idea (which I found more common in Blue states) that Covid is serious and we need more government. I know this is a terrible logic, but Statistics were made to lie in order to sell you an idea that is some what believable.

    Here's some fun drama of our "new" FL Surgeon General, getting the DeSantis hook-up from a GOP/DeSantis donor by saying the right stuff gets you an even bigger salary from our last Surgeon General and perks that are paid by our tax money. Also reminds me of why the hell DeSantis's PAC has almost $45 million in donations just for his reelection campaign (which is super non-heard of in FL) this coming year. If you follow the money (which is public record), tons of business groups and a lot of out of state donations/interests. I bet they want the state government to lie on the Covid #s so they don't lose out on business. Hell if I was the governor I would lie my ass off for the money.
     
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    As of today in the USA, not really - or at least they would have dropped dead from something else if not SARS2 (it is supposed to be flu season)

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    COVID is very concerning, but it's not the freakin "you are gonna DIE" boogeyman that media makes it out to be. At some point, we need to accept nature instead of living in fear or punching down on the person who didn't want to get the vaccine or isn't double-masked.
     
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    Numbers go up and down in different places at different times. I hope this is the last "wave". I would not bet money on it though.

    I'm vaccinated and not worried about it at all, at this point COVID is a mostly preventable disease. The vast majority of people in our ICUs are unvaccinated and I hope the vast majority of those are by choice. I only care because our health care system is still under stress, and people with non-COVID related problems are not getting the level of care they deserve.
     
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    They are dropping dead from both but continue to believe what you want. I believe it's akin to russian roulette, put another one in the chamber, your choice.
     
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    Yup the vaxxed are getting infected. The better number to look at however is, of the hospitalized, what percentage of vaxxed vs unvaxxed die.
     
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    Around here it is a about 50/50. Half the cases are in the 85% who are vaccinated, and half the cases are in the 15% who are not, so about a 6x difference in risk. It is more like 12x for hospitalizations, and close to 20x for ICU admissions. Math even Amir could understand.
     
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    One variable is comorbidities and age. If 99% of the population survives covid unvaxxed per the CDC (and everyone else) how are you able to determine that a vaxxed person's survival was due to the vax and not because of their existing immune system? A second variable is treatment. Does your hjospital use remdesivir vs ivermectin or another choice? If so, you hospital likely killed you with the treatment. Remdesivir is a killer. Just look at the 2 studies fauciwad used as proof of it's safety, meaning actually click on the faucing links and read. Both studies show it is deadly but he is in bed with Gilead and people are dying from the treatment.

    I can't even imagine that you would just whip up some numbers to support your viewpoint and trust that you have actually done some research with data to back up your numbers. All of them.
     
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    That is a completely accurate representation of numbers out of Manitoba. And entirely consistent with numbers from all over the world.

    As for the rest of your post, sheer nonsense.
     
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    Links? I'll show you mine if you show me yours :sail:
     
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    That question is phrased wrong, as the vaccines work by causing an immune response. They do not kill the virus like antibiotics physically damage bacteria.
     
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    What's most interesting to me is case studies in Israel and Iceland, two nations who have attained over 90% vaccination rate.

    What is so curious to me is why people keep chasing their tails on this topic. We are in the age of information. What has Norway done? Oh that's interesting. What about Japan? Very interesting.

    My numbers won't change your mind, all I can do is encourage others to OPEN their minds!
     
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    The distinction is lost on me. Yes they do create an immune response but without the vaccine the body also creates an immune response which accounts for the 99% survival rate with no treatment.
     
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    While I'm not going to go digging through studies, to me, personally, it appears that the risks of getting immunity by catching Covid-19 are higher than the risks posed by the vaccine.
     
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    Bullshit. Check your sources.
     
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    "My numbers" get updated every weekday, and only speak for where I live. I do know "my numbers" are not outliers, though and are consistent with the experience in most places in the western world.

    https://www.gov.mb.ca/covid19/updates/cases.html
     
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    At this point everyone has come to their own decision on the subject. It is too late to change minds even if you could. The die is cast, decisions have been made. I honestly pray they are good decisions for all. Subjectivity being what it is and assuming everyone is speaking from their heart and beliefs, perhaps we have all made the decision that is best for us, individually. Our gut and instinct is leading each one of us to the safest course for our unique selves.
    The federal government is at at all times, a crude and blunt instrument, a sledgehammer for a 5mm screw or a jackhammer for a potted plant. It is literally incapable of being effective for everyone equally and it is random potluck when it effective for anyone at all. It has always been this way. It will always be this way.
    That being said.

    99% will survive, 99.5% will survive with treatment further improved by increasing immune function prior to infection. I wonder how they will be treated and if they are being recommended to do that? All you hear about is the vaxx. There should be constant listings of all the things people could do right now to make themselves healthier. It is the flu and cold season right now but it is being ignored and considering the vaxx is suspected of weakening immune response in non covid infections, you'd think there would be advice headlined, but no, it's just the vaxx. It's as if they just want people to die, either from other infections or conditions or from the jab. ... loading the chamber 1 more time to see if this is the one that gives you blood clots, heart disease or the myriad other conditions that the jab could give you. Just watching the inevitable play out slowly.
     
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