Saga 2 Ideas from Freya S?

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  1. supertransformingdhruv

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    While I think there's value in the 128-step attenuator over the 64 steps, I don't think you really get a full 128 useable steps out of Freya. When I tried out Saga, I was getting one click per turn, but with Freya I'm pretty sure that I can't actually turn the knob a small enough amount that I only change the volume by one step. I also think the remote (at least with the new powered knob) moves a few steps at a time. For me, this is fine, and I don't know that I need more granularity. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    Multiple clicks don't necessarily mean multiple volume steps, since it's a ladder approach. It's like a binary number. Imagine you just have four steps: 00 > 01 > 10 > 11. The change from 01 to 10 flips two bits, resulting in two clicks. This analogy is probably not perfect, but you get the idea.

    However, I agree with the part about the remote. Especially if you use a universal remote like a Logitech Harmony, it's tricky to get it to behave exactly like the original. I had to work a lot with the Logitech support to get it work properly with the Ragnarok 2. With the Freya S, the learning functionality at least worked well enough to be useful, but it still doesn't work right when holding the button down, for instance. So more steps give you some buffer.
     
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    Sorry you had to deal with Logitech people.
    Their Harmony (piece of cr)app is the single worst app I’ve ever used! I can’t tell you how many times I wanted to just throw it out the window and be done with it.
    Trying to help my parents to set up theirs over Skype (they’re 6000 miles away) was an exercise in patience, to put it extremely politely. Borderline masochistic, in retrospect. I have 0 patience for piece of shit softwares nowadays. Harmony leads the pack.

    I really needed to rant!
     
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    Oh yes, I feel you. The app itself is ridiculously dated and pretty cumbersome (could be worse), and then the actual update process is super slow because essentially your config gets baked into a firmware image that is then flashed onto the remote. And this way it's way harder to write an alternative to their app. I'd love to work on a user-friendly universal remote, though with the increasing frequency of RF remotes that becomes more challenging than ever.
     
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    Hi Jason, thanks a lot for everything you do! So, after you introduced Modius you have headphone folks totally covered with a range of balanced head phone amps. I am a speaker guy, and I run:

    Modius -> Sys pot -> Aegir -> Dynaudio.

    hopefully I will be able to eventually replace Sys with something balanced and Nexus-like, or JFET, something better than Saga+. Thanks!
     
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    I suspect the demand on high margin Freya+ is so huge that Freya S was just competing with it at lower margin. Thus Freya S is not opening any additional market, there is no business reason to have it.

    Having $400 Saga S (or mini Freya S) with 1 balanced input will probably outsell Saga+ right away, because Saga+ is not balanced and because of that has no future, really.

    The new reality is balanced Modius DAC for $200 that destroys all other DACs under $400. Pairing Modius with $900 Freya+ doesn't make any sense price-wise, pairing Modius with Saga+ doesn't make sense because it's not leveraging balanced output, and because it has low quality volume control. There is a Modius + Freya S mini market to open here.
     
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    Two turntables (and a microphone), DAC (or two), two CD players.
     
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    Haven't read all the way through this thread yet, so sorry if i'm mucking up the flow by repeating someone else, but seeing as how most people prefer the balanced output from the Schiit dacs is it a crazy idea to have 1 balanced xlr input and 1 unbalanced rca input then 1 balanced output (though i would always prefer more for my setups) and 2 unbalanced rca? Not an engineer and maybe that is too much to fit inside a saga chassis

    For my own selfish purposes having 1 balanced xlr input to connect to Gungnir Multibit (Yggdrasil or bff2 apply as well) then as many balanced xlr outputs as possible and 1 (or 2 if it will fit) rca out. All SS no tube needed, let Nexus handle the bizness! That would be my ideal small form factor preamp.
     
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    I had gone back and forth with Jason about inputs and outputs for this theoretical product a while back.

    Basically if you look at the back of the Jot you can see pretty much the max of what’s possible to fit in that sized case (assuming you have a set of RCAa where the expansion card can go in this picture):

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    The most likely scenario would be 2 RCA and 1 XLR inputs, and then 1 RCA and 1 XLR output, simply because this is likely the most versatile configuration for most people (i.e. potential customers). Most people aren’t driving more than 2 amps, and you can’t really fit more than 1 XLR in and 1XLR out. To make it more affordable and efficient for Schiit, I expect a reuse of the Jot configuration would be likely.
     
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    It would be cool to see this become a reality. selectable outputs would also be nice, even as a 3 position manual toggle switch. A, B, both A & B.
     
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