Schiit Asgard 3 Headphone Amp with Continuity Output Stage

Discussion in 'Headphone Amplifiers and Combo (DAC/Amp) Units' started by Vtory, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. jexby

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    DSHA-3F Ravenswood pricing is US$2800.
    unless you were quoting CAD? ;)
     
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    My bad, I saw $4k somewhere and assumed that was correct.

    edit: I actually saw the $2,800 and read it as $3,800. I'll go lay down for a while.
     
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    For the record, I also think amps like ZDT Jr (perhaps Shortest Way as well, but I never heard one and am extrapolating from impressions in that thread) would also easily fit in the category of "relatively inexpensive amps that punch above their price point." I'd rather listen to these than some amps that cost over $1k.

    If you really want TOTL performance, save money and buy an ECP/DNA.
     
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    TBH, I would rather eat.
     
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    I was looking for an inexpensive AIO for a bedroom setup. How would an Asgard 3 w/4490 fair against MCTH w/sdac? Mostly using with hd650.
     
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    Oh for sure there are other amps out there that punch well above their price. But not too many, and it looks like Asgard fits in that select group.

    I'm with @Senorx12562 , I'd rather eat than spend a bunch more for incrementally smaller gains.
     
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    I actually really like the Hel for around 200 bones. Smooth and powerful.
     
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    Agreed. @ChaChaRealSmooth, I saw in your review picks of the Starlett that you also had a Lyr3. That would be a bit fairer fight for the poor little Asguard 3. Do you have thoughts on how they compare?
     
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    I've never heard the MCTH, so I can't say. Gut feeling says that the two amps would have vastly different presentations and personal preference would play a much bigger part.

    The Lyr 3 is more laid-back and more balanced (i.e. not as mid-forward) as Asgard 3. Plankton, dynamics, and nuance are a bit better on Lyr 3. However, the Asgard 3 has more "ease" in its presentation and I somehow find it more engaging. In direct comparison, the Lyr 3 almost sounds like it's about to burst at the seams with power delivery (I'm not sure how to describe this).

    Edit: My Lyr 3 experience is just the stock tube. Different/better performance might be possible with better tubes. I don't want to explore this; my experience with tubes is that it's a wild money hole where you can dump tons of money for single percentage point improvements.
     
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    Agreed.

    Actually both sound more similar than different, compared to other schiit siblings (jot, rag, ...) or different manufacturers (thx, gilmore, etc). I'm sure that anybody fundamentally disliking lyr 3 would draw the same conclusion for asgard 3.

    That said, what @ChaChaRealSmooth described about the difference mirrors my experience. In additions, Asgard 3 had a little edgier transient. Sound stages and backgrounds blacker and more clearly defined. Low level dynamics heard with more discretion. Rendered instrument images had more distinct depth ques (good opt tubes are generally better but asgard 3 is quite acceptable for budget SS in my book). Lyr 3, on the other hand, is more about synthetic, flowing, and continuous presentation. With noticeably better upward macro dynamics (good recordings of jazzes and classics require this while compressed pops not so much), too.

    I seem to like Schiit's current feedback ss gain stages (better than their tube gain stages).

    Note that my lyr 3 experience is mostly from tung sol 6sn7. I also remember that lyr 3 resembled asgard 3 very much with some tubes such as ken rad vt231. Never tested LISST.
     
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    My Lyr 3 was transformed by a PSVANE tube. I wouldn't stop at the tubes schiit sells for it.
     
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    Triangulating impressions: when I had Lyr3 and ZDT Jr. to compare, this was an obvious difference; Lyr3 has a way of sounding effortless when dynamics start to ramp up. The presentation stays so clean in the upper midrange and lower treble; uncongested. ZDT Jr. doesn't have the same macrodynamic cleanly delineated but still a wall of sound feeling, but (imho) makes up for it in differentiating microdynamic gradients and inner detail; it's more intimate.

    Further, to push further out of the price envelope, the main reason I picked up (or rather, kept) a T3 is that it does both macro and micro better than both Lyr3 and ZDT Jr. All while keeping (and expanding on) the slightly sweeter presentation of the ZDT Jr. (depending on tubes, of course). Honestly, depending on one's preferences, I could see keeping both Lyr3 and ZDT Jr. for pairing with certain HP profiles, but that seems a bit wasteful for someone only looking to spend $x00, total.

    Oh, edit, Lyr3 running Psvane UK6SN7. Seemed the most synergistic of the tubes I tried.
     
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    Thanks for these. Now we need some more comparisons with similarly priced SS amps: A3 v Jot and THX789
     
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    In case you missed it, I've written some subjective comparisons between the A3 and THX789 a few page back you may find useful.

    Vtory has also mentioned that they prefer the A3 to both the thx789 and A3, specifically:
    Generally feels like the THX789 has sharper/faster transients and thus more microdetail, whereas the A3 just has a more pleasant timbre, better soundstage layering and depth, and better dynamics (esp micro to my ears) -- THX789 feels faster, details-focused, whereas A3 feels more involving, euphonic, _real_ (absolutely love female vocals and live instruments with the A3).

    I know vtory prefers the A3 to the THX789, but I still think they're both complementary and like to switch between the two depending on music/what presentation I want. If I had to choose/keep one, I'd keep the asgard 3 (and saves $200!).

    But yeah, agreed - would love to hear other impressions of this vs other amps like the Jotunheim. (Maybe if someone's in the east bay area with a Jot, we could possibly meetup and compare somehow?)
     
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    Any impressions w/HD800 (or various permutations)? Haven't seen any in the thread so far.
     

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