Topping and SMSL with ASR Punking Us on DACs?

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by purr1n, Oct 23, 2022.

  1. Tekker

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    Hydrogenaudio and WhatsBestForum for the purely objective ones as far as I’ve seen. Don’t remember the specific reason, but one can tell by seeing his dogmatic subjective nonsense.

    Plus he gets constantly clowned at other sites like hifivison and Audiogon
     
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    The story was referenced in a prior Amirnads thread. The forum was hydrogenaudio but I cant recall why exactly. I could guess based on hydrogenaudio’s reputation for strict objectivity and Amir’s reputation for strict pseudoscience.
     
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    That Keith dude from Purite Audio, who is the definition of snark, is banned on the WhatsBestForum as well
     
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    The reason why I asked about the history of him being banned is because I am trying to get a better picture of what his true motivations may be. In other words, I am trying to figure out whether his SINAD-centric approach is based on a dogmatic set of beliefs or was it simply a means to an end to shill specific products which focus solely on maxing out this specific metric.
     
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    The chances of him having gone off about SINAD for so long out of sincere adherence to particular audio tenets effectively went to nil when he began publishing the results from improperly-conducted measurements and showed a profound disinterest in denouncing the same products he was lauding when these latter began exhibiting self-destructive tendencies (much like some of the earlier Schiit amps reportedly did a loooooong while back).
     
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    I was there at the time, but I can't recall either. I do remember him. As I have often said, that was my first experience of Amir and I never wanted another one.

    What I recall... Amir's posts could be easily dissected and rubbished, and they were, so he kept coming back with gaslighting and moved goalposts. Again and again. Page after page after page after page. His own commercial interests in audio, and that he was self-serving, were frequently thrown in his face.

    Oh! I recall some later news of an Amir banning, told on Hydrogenaudio: he had been banned from ASR! Take it with a pinch of salt: it's years ago, and I don't have the best memory in the world! Someone here might know better.

    I don't know how (or who) it is now, but, on the whole, Hydrogenaudio wasn't a bad place. It was refreshingly different from some of the bullshit I was seeing in other places. I think that, if they had to choose one, people here would prefer it to ASR! I certainly would.

    PS... But no prizes for guessing which was the audio forum I stayed with when my ears became past audio!

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    That Purite Audio guy is a pure joke - he often keeps his messages brief since he probably can’t tell from pees with poops, but everything he ever said there are simply discrediting ifi and praising the chifi
     
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    For entertainment, I read a long back and forth between Amir and Arnie (?) on avsforum.
    Very illuminating to see 2 "objectivists" using every rhetorical trick possible to discredit one another.

    Mind, "rhetorical trick." Not science.
     
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    RIP Arnie. If it is the user I recall, I believe he passed a couple years ago and they made a nice tribute to him at AVSForum. However, he was a massive prick. He ruined several experiences for me on AVSForum by just being an unreasonable asshole. I don't get what people's deal is with getting on a forum to belittle people who are seeking information. If you have an opinion that you believe is the right one, you can change people's minds by expressing it logically and reasonably. If you truly are an authority on the subject I will thoughtfully listen to what you have to say. I had a few experiences with Arnie where I had to block him due to thread replies and it honestly ruined my time in the hobby early on.
     
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    Hope you don't mind the light redacting above. That description is basically my observation of almost the entirety of the population of ASR. That's the way they seem to want it, too, no attempt to soften the edges, so to speak.
     
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    ASR: you need to double-blind test everything or else it’s not scientific!

    also ASR: Test only a single sample of a poorly made DIY build from a member to draw conclusion

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    Valid test criteria also include RANDOM sampling (not cherry picks), sample size n>1 usually, repeated and repeatable testing, and much more... but for ASR I guess this is also neither here nor there.
     
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    This product and the review of it made me chuckle/cringe. I cannot believe that after reading this review, someone would honestly say: "Yup, this is the speaker amp for me! I have to have it asap."

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...audio-h7-amplifier-review.43720/#post-1551563

    In addition to glossing over certain obvious issues with the product (but it's cheap!) and then recommending it for purchase, I love how the "nice looking" VU meter became the selling point. I thought that ASR was against audio nostalgia in the form of tubes/VU meters and audio companies trying to capitalize on it.
     
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    Ok, just came across this. I take this as invitation.

    Thor
     
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    Hello Thorsten and welcome!
     
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    I was following you on ASR, but it seems they have deleted your account?
     
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    Hi Thor. Great to see you here on SBAF. A big fan, currently using a IFI PRO IDSD DAC (upgraded from the IFI NEO IDSD) in my main 2.2 system, swapped the stock GE5670 tubes with a pair of NOS WE396A tubes. Hqplayer streaming Qobuz, with everything upsampled to DSD512 fed to the PRO IDSD. What a great sounding DAC combo with the Freya + tube preamp, Nuprime STA Evolution power amp to a pair of Monitor Audio Platinum PL200ii and a pair of Power Sound Audio 15" downfiring, sealed subs!!!

    Cheers

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    Yes, I have been banned for "racism" - I stated that a specific product was a "chinese product" and "designed by a chinese engineer". Apparently stating such simple facts, and pointing to them as the reason why a product is of poor design and production quality is "racism".

    [​IMG]

    I wonder if I had called a very expensive product that showed some measured performance problems in Amir's measurements a "british product, designed by british engineer" this would also have gotten me banned for racism.

    Well, I have always considered myself a male chauvinist piglet (piglets are cute, girls love piglets), now I can add "racist" to the epitaph.

    Thor
     
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    Great you find the result to your liking. That makes me happy.

    Thor
     
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    Well, neither in my main system, my bedroom system, my home office system or my headphone system have any offerings from Topping, SMSL or any of those mainstream Chinese audio companies praised by ASR so I am not sure if I would be classified as "racist". You can tell from my username I am Chinese as well.

    Deric
     

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