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  1. bobmysterious

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    With a shotgun you’re firing a number of individual rounds (pellets) depending on the size of the buckshot used. Depending on the pattern and spread you’re liable for all of those. In any home defense situation it’s critical to recognize what’s behind the target and also consider overpenetration. Check out the “Box ‘o truth” videos on YouTube, they do a really good job of simulating walls and overpenetration. Pumps can be problematic in these situations too, sometimes people “short shuck” the pump and jam up the gun. Whatever you wind up using, train with it. That’s super important. As far as the springs go, it’s my understanding that the wear on springs comes from the use of them, flexing and unflexing, and it’s better to leave the spring compressed rather than frequently working it. I’m pretty positive you’re fine leaving it loaded. Mine has been loaded for quite a while and still runs perfectly.

    I personally use my carry handgun because I’ve got 50,000+ rounds training and competing with it. Use what you’re comfortable with though, just learn about using it safely in a “social” situation.
     
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    Firearms is another hobby, sort of like audio, where there is an abundance of lore and old wives tales. Sometimes its best to go outside the hobby for answers. Springs "relaxing" by being compressed is one of those times. What @bobmysterious here is what a mechanical engineer (say in the automotive field) will tell you about the basic behavior of springs.

    Looking at the terminal ballistic work of the FBI and others, for home defense if you using less than double o with any shotgun, your compromising your tool. That said so many believe that birdshot is all they need, and birdshot would be better than nothing in many if not the majority of cases.

    Moving more to opinion, the whole "overpenetration" consideration is overblown/overthought. It is a consideration, and certain trainers and training methodology make much of it fer sur, but then they have classes/books/videos they need to fill with content and $sell$. As a civilian if you actually find yourself at a point where you believe deadly force is the only option left (and it is always the last option), then it simply is a luxury consideration. Yes yes, the apartment dweller/loved in in the room over playing the unwitting backstop is a possibility and real, but the fact is the vast majority of civilian gun owners will never learn enough about ballistics and/or train enough to make it a rational part of the discussion. Professionals (local/federal agents, etc.) ought to consider it more, but their problem is that they have competing requirements (such as auto glass) that usually trump it.
     
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    My 20 gauge is loaded with number 3 buck and a wicked shell that has two .54 caliber mini balls each. The 12 gage is loaded with 00 Buck. I am used to it having used it to shoot geese for many years. Have never shot the Mossburg so an excuse to go down to the country to blast some crows for my wife's cousin.
     
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    Loud guns scare me. I had the chance to shoot a magnum in Alaska and declined. My friend shooting it once was enough.

    small caliber rifles are fun. Or maybe i’d have fun with a more normal handgun.
     
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    Caliber doesn't have much to do with it. A 9mm handgun is technically a larger caliber than a .300 winchester magnum, and the win-mag is orders of magnitude louder. The biggest factor is powder charge.

    Check out this article for a good comparison between .22LR and .223 Remington and you'll realize caliber doesn't mean everything.
     
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    Oh I just don’t know anything about it I thought I was being smart. :p
     
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    #4 buck is generally recommended most often. Still gets good stopping power but less likely to bury itself in your neighbors living room (or worse). Will still go through your drywall probably.

    I have a lightly customized 320 I use at home with Federal HST or my AR15. Been wanting to get a Mossberg 590 but not at rona prices.
     
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    There's always room for more knowledge!
     
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    Love HST!!! That’s some nasty stuff though. 9mm opens up to the size of a nickel. It’s all I carry.
     
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    Yeah, that's my favorite as well. Although I have a supply of Honeybadger rounds I want to try out.

    Rob
     
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    Not familiar with them, but they certainly pique the interest. That .357 Mag Honeybadger looks like bad news. I'm so invested in HST though I haven't looked at other rounds in a long time. I've got a can with 1,000+ rounds of factory 147 gr. HST in the stash.

    This fits with what we were speaking about earlier, incremental improvements in the firearms industry. I think both the HST and Honeybadger rounds fit the bill and are perfect representations of recent advancements in firearms technology. Maybe not leaps and bounds, but pretty substantial improvements.
     
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    I keep Nosler 9mm in my ruger LC9S. My backup mags are HST.
     
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    I load Nosler 240 gr. JSP in my 44 Mag rounds with 15 gr. of HS-6. They make really, really great projectiles. Can't go wrong with them.
     
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    Firearms are illegal for civilians where I live (Netherlands)
     
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    Me too, because you can't shoot suppressed here in California, and I want to have some hearing left when I'm 70.

    6.5 Creedmoor is as loud as I can handle for any length of time; .300WM (or larger) with a brake is impossible.
     
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    Have you ever tried double plugging? I use a custom set of earplugs, then put ear muffs over those. If you're noise averse it can certainly help. Nothing can help a 300 WM with a brake on it, however.
     
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    Should clarify the stereotype was just an example of what a lot of people imagine. I've met many people of various beliefs, appearances, etc. who all own firearms - but on the flip side, there are a lot of people I know who meet the stereotypical "won't own guns image" and as far as I know... they don't.

    I looked up the Archimedes bolt and looked up the bolt of a 1890's Mauser and other pre-WW1 bolt actions (just picked based on a list in wikipedia) - yes, I can see how some potential issues are solved, I can see how it yields small improvements, etc... but the way I look at it, it's still kind of stuck in a box - not to discount this Archimedes bolt - still pretty cool. But I kind of liken this to how the Romans were fixated with using their tech and never had windmills (or water powered mills) despite having much more advanced tech and being more than capable of doing so in terms of pre-req knowledge.

    Anyways, thanks for the responses everyone. More or less got the curiosity itch scratched w/ regards to the product development stuff I was wondering about.
     
  18. roughroad

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    Check out the tests. Underwood Extreme Defender is the top dog. Only problem right now is it's near unobtanium. I've been on their notification list for about 4 months and that's for .40 S&W.
     
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    The only comment about the honeybadger round I’ll make is that not all guns like them. My Walther PPK feeds them without issue. And, of course, my Chiefs Special is fine . But my SIG 227 TACOPS won’t feed the .45 round. I haven’t tried them in my 1911 platforms yet. But I’m a little leery of their ability to feed in all guns. My TACOPS has never failed to feed anything I’ve thrown at it except these rounds.

    Rob
     
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    I can definitely see how they’d nose dive on the feed ramp. Which brings us to another important point. Always check your ammo. A lot of people buy the latest whiz bang self defense rounds and load them up, carry them, and don’t really know if they’ll function in the gun. It’s super important to run a few boxes through the gun to ensure they’ll feed properly. It’s also good to see where they print on paper.
     
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