Harman Curve Poll (Public)

Discussion in 'Blind Testing and Psychoacoustics' started by ChaChaRealSmooth, Nov 9, 2020.

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What do YOU think of the Harman Curve

  1. Strongly Disagree- The Harmon Curve sounds bad and it's potentially dangerous for good sound

    32.0%
  2. Somewhat Disagree - I like some things about it, but I'd rather not be the target

    40.8%
  3. Somewhat Agree- I like more things about it than not

    21.6%
  4. Strongly Agree - Now, this is how music should be heard!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Fuck me in the ass with the IE 2017 treble boost! (Harmon Curve is for kids with hearing loss)

    5.6%
  1. dubiousmike

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    Great thread, and so nice to know I'm not alone in hating the ubiquitous application of this garbage FR curve to modern IEM's. A rise around 3k just kills me and is why (along with ergonomics), I often continue to reach for my old Westone w4/40's for casual listening, notwithstanding their obvious lack of detail, because they don't hurt me every time a high hat is in the mix.

    Back in 2006, when I first found my way on the audio boards, I'm pretty sure all of the entry/mid-tier IEM's I bought actually had a minor (or in some cases major) dip in this region, including Ety Er6i, NuForce NE7m, Senn IE8's and Westone W4's. I used nothing but silicone tips because I didn't need Comply's to take the edge off the upper mids. Now the trend seems to be just the opposite, and Comply's are a necessity for me with most of what is on the market.

    Maybe it is just my ears, but the whole IEM pinna gain concept rings false in my experience. I find my '06 Beyer 250 ohm dt880's 3.5k peak problematic, but an equivalent peak in IEM's even more so. By contrast, the minor 6k peak on my OG hd800's (which has a minor dip at 3k), isn't really an issue for me, especially with the sd resonator in place. Similarly, I suspect part of why I still continue to really enjoy my Fostex Thx00's, from the first batch sold, is that they also have a dip in this range. I also find it funny that AKG's own very popular and decent (IMO) y50 on ears have a sizable dip at 3k while its parent co. continues to push Olive's conclusions.

    Does anyone have a link to any of the HK / Olive resources that specifically discuss upper mids in headphones? The basic articles I am finding seem to lump listeners together based on +/- db's over 1k and under 300hrz. See: https://www.soundstagesolo.com/index.php/features/217-where-are-we-at-with-the-harman-curve The youtube video on Olive's blog also seems to suggest that his listeners were only permitted to eq the top and bottom of the FR curve in expressing preferences: https://seanolive.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-perception-and-measurement-of.html
     
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  2. Thad E Ginathom

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    Life is so unfair on those of us who don't even have $100k.
     
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    The harman IE target is pretty much making a V shaped ER4, The ER4SR i use only needs a -2.5db at 3.5k. No idea why he even did this since pinna gain was to fix that fact the Ety ER4 goes in very deep, He doing this on shallow fit IEMs with peak/dips everywhere?.
     

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